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Trinity and Language - 2005/03/28 03:42 Found this article on the web. Check it out and let me know your thoughts.

http://www.americanunitarian.org/morninginquiry.htm
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Re:Trinity and Language - 2005/03/28 11:18 http://www.americanunitarian.org/morninginquiry.htm
Maybe that'll fix it.... yup!
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Re:Trinity and Language - 2005/03/28 18:26 It's all head knowledge isn't it.

Words, words and more words.

"Where words are many, sin is not far away."

Thank God for revelation, that cuts through knowledge and information like a sword.

People want to "understand" God? I suggest they seek a personal encounter with him. I certainly couldn't rely on my understanding of a language to bring me closer to God. Language is an infinately poor method of understanding the scriptures which is why we need the holy spirit.

The writer is at least correct when he says that we can all hear the same words, agree and yet hold different positions owing to our personal bias and what we recognise the words to mean.

That's why we have the spirit, to lead us into all truth.

Human comunication is clumsy, limited and confusing and often just gets in the way between man and God because it clouds the issue. Also, the more we think we understand the more puffed up we become anyway.

Note Jesus never talked theology. He never sat people down and gave them a complex talk on the theology drawn from the OT scriptures. Nor did he try to argue his case. He didn't need to. He was secure in who he was and his knowledge of God. All he wanted was to make God real for people. Draw them closer to the father. He spoke into their lives and changed them, healed them, forgave them. When he quoted the OT it wasn't to prove any sort of theological point, it was to make them living, to fulfil the words.

We should be striving to know and serve God on his terms, not working out what we believe then coming to the God we think we understand. We all see in part only, without the power of God to cut through theology all we'll do is make God in the image we find most logical, or most pleasing or most acceptable by our standards.

Jesus says come to me, not the scriptures. God tells us to seek him, not the scriptures. We are to seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness. We are told to come to God as little children. What do little children know of such issues as theology? What do they care? They come to their father, secure and knowing only his love and his strength.

Since the kingdom of God belongs to such as these, I suggest we all dump our vaunted theology and get to know our father more intimately. Allow him to reveal himself how he wants to.

Ah. What do I know?

Much shalom to you all anyway.
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Re:Trinity and Language - 2005/03/29 01:17 What do you know, Warrior? I think you know quite a bit! I appreciate your insight more than I can express!
If 'religion' would teach and allow their sheep to develop their individual relationships with God by means of the Holy Spirit, as God intends.....well, we wouldn't need religion anymore, would we? It's coming to that, really - it's coming... maybe not as quickly as we'd like - but it is 'in the wind', blowing gale-force!
Hallelujah!
Peace and love, Bea
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Re:Trinity and Language - 2005/03/29 03:31 Warrior wrote: "Note Jesus never talked theology. He never sat people down and gave them a complex talk on the theology drawn from the OT scriptures. Nor did he try to argue his case. He didn't need to. He was secure in who he was and his knowledge of God."

AMEN AND AMEN AGAIN!

To the writing of many high minded and tiresome religious books there is no end. It is a marvel that for every ten words Jesus said many religious men and women take a thousand to explain to us what they believe he meant and then after that another person will write another thousand words to refute the first! lol

Yet Jesus to his disciple explained all things simply and plainly.

In my opinion, we should allow Jesus to speak for himself and leave the understanding of the deeper things in the Bible to God's holy spirit which will enlighten us at the proper time. Jesus did not say that deep knowledge would be the mark of his disciples but rather love among themselves. As Paul said knowledge puffs up but love builds up.

I enjoyed your comments, Warrior and Bea.

Thank you,
Josh
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