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A timeline for the Lord's Day - 2004/10/05 11:01
I am posting this here because I started a discussion at eWatchman on this but I cannot get back on. The system keeps logging me out. Apparently there is a temporary glitch resulting from them moving servers. So I will put the stuff here in the meantime.
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Hey Interpretum, excellent comments.
Actually it was skepticism I was hoping for!   and thorough test. I am definitely not a numbers man! :roll: So I find it rather ironic that I should even produce something like this and so it was important to me for it to be tested by those who are.
It appears that you've started with 2008 as the end date, and then worked backwards to deduce entry into the promised land at 1423 BCE. But isn't that selectively picking data to fit a pre-conceived notion?
Yes, kind of. I did start with 2008 and work backward. I took a guess at that date as a starting point and then worked to see if the other bits would fit to that date.
But as I mentioned, that has to work together with and reconcile to all the other day periods and the chronology including the 7 weeks, 62 weeks.
I guess I would call my method "pattern search" rather than what might be called a strictly scientific linear approach. I use a little bit of cheating, a bit of speculation, and probably a whole lot of non-linear logic to try and extract a pattern. The pattern may not by proveable to a scientific standard, but may have sufficient evidential base to say - hmmm, there is something there. Then I try and argue the whole shebang and convince others. Then I hope that the spirit will drag the rest out! 
First of all there is an asssumption that the Jubilee calculator logic is correct i.e. that every 50th year is not reckoned.
If that is correct and I arbitrarily select 2008 then a set of rather interesting coincidences occur
1 - 1080 BCE occurs as a coordinate on the 70 weeks chronology at the 7th week of weeks
2 - 2 BCE occurs at the beginning of a Jubilee
3 - 33 BCE falls on a sabbath year
4 - going to the timeline, 2008 works out to be 1335 days from atonement day in 2004
5 - 2008 works out to be 1260 days from the 24th day of the 9th month (Hanukkah in 2004) - see also Haggai 2:10,14
6 - there is a basis for running the 1150 days (2300 mornings and evenings) from the 24th day of the 9th month so that they are consistent with the scriptures in Dan and Rev
So is 607BCE an important date after all? If 607BCE is an important date in chronological history (especially from a larger Jubilee point of view), then surely it's reasonable to also look at the "seven times" as 2,520 years point of view also... and 2,520 years from 607BCE leads to 1914CE... possibly a significant date from God's point of view also?
I count from 1080BCE using the bible's own internal counting system. 607 BCE has absolutely no significance to me other than it is a date 473 years from 1080BCE. As I mentioned in the Jubilee calcs, 607BCE and 536 BCE are just dates arrived at using the bible's internal counting. The 473 years is a result of counting the reigns of the kings. 536 is arrived at by counting the sabbaths, simple as that.
So, 607 has no significance for me to try and establish 2520 years to 1914. That would only have significance to me if it were possible to say 7 times = 2520 years. I give reasons here why I think 1914 and 2520 years is not significant.
What is the ultimate reason for 2008CE as your date of choice, given that a veadar is quite common - every 2 or 3 years? Why not a veadar 10 or 20 years from now?
I appreciate that i-witness has done research which points to 2005-2008 as being a significant period of time. However, my main concern with your research is that you have been influenced to pick 2008 because of i-witness' research. In other words, it does not stand on its own.
Ok, no I had not seen i-witnesse's work when I did mine although I was pleasantly pleased to see he saw significance in 2008. My work has been developed for nearly two years now and a link was put up on eWatchman site when the first board was established and before that in his old guestbook where some discussion had been started with Isaiah 59:15.
To answer your question why 2008? Why did I pick that date? To be honest it was just a year that I picked when I first started my research into Daniel's day periods. I started with prayer and a request to discern the pattern. I had established for myself that the tribulation was going to be 3 1/2 years so I was looking for a pattern of days periods that would fit within that. I knew this was linked to the 1335 days and I learned from Watchman that the 2300 mornings and evenings was probably 1150 days.
I then drew a timeline from 2001 to 2008 and started sliding the day periods over the timeline until a I got what I call a pattern lock with each of those day periods reconciling to the other. In particular I tested days that were significant in the bible and the Jewish calendar e.g Atonement day, Pentecost etc. It made sense to me that significant days like those would be used for the day periods.
At the same time I kept checking Dan and Rev to ensure there was nothing in the scriptures to undermine this understanding. To date I have not found anything that does that - just the opposite. To the point that I am confident to pull this up again and have a go here.
Also, I am aware that some people on this board are taking it as an article of faith that Armageddon will be over and done with by 2008 - and I just don't want people pinning their entire expectations on something which may be true - but could equally not be true. That's certainly the lesson we as JWs should learn from our past!
Yes this was the hardest thing for me to think about - Does this create expectations? Am I making the exact same mistake the Society and others have?
Well, my only answer is 1 John 4 especially verses 6 and 7. If I claim that this material is spirit driven and thus inspired then it has to withstand testing. But I found it most intriguing that the criteria for determination is ulitimately love - that is what gives the knowledge of God. That incidentally is what I try to express in my signature below.
The article itself gives no indication as to why 2008 is chosen... instead of a veadar 10 or 20 years hence. I'd be interested to know... why 2008?
Yes fair point. I haven't tested all the other veadar periods. I just come back to the Jubilee calcs and note how 1080BCE seems to provide a lock on that and how 1080BCE very coincidentally occurs at the 7th week if you work from 2008.
I have promised to put up a commentary to this material. I guess doing this has started the process. No promises when, but I will try to get this up by end of this week.
So Interpretum and others, there it is for what it is worth. I will now go and put on my helmet and padding and wait for the rest
With much love and spirit to all
ePig
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