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Re:Memorial - 2005/02/28 15:42
Shaihulud wrote:
Well it is all very interesting and you helped me to understand more about the calender dates and how they relate to the days in Daniel. Do you think the difference in the 1260 and the 1290 have to do with the fact of to canlenders being used? The jewish one in Daniel and I guess a greek one in Revelation?  Well then we have the 2300 days too! 
I think Jah put all these things in differently so we could not figure it out.
I think the 1260 days referred to in Rev 11:3 is based on a standard 360 day calendar. It fits exactly between 9 December 2004 and 9 June 2008 using a 360 day calendar. When you look at a Jewish calendar 9 December 2004 was Hannukah, the 25th day of the ninth month and 9 December 2008 is Pentecost 3 1/2 years later (this is what I have shown on my timeline).
This 1260 days is connected to the 1260 days in Rev 12:6. These are the only references to 1260 days. Similarly the trampling of the holy city for 42 months in Rev 11:2 is connected to the 42 months of authority given the wild beast in Rev 13:5-7. These are the only references to 42 months. As you and I have discussed before, I now think these run contemporaneously but cover two separate lots of actions.
The 42 months covers the action of the trampling of the holy city and the holy ones. The 1260 days covers the action of the prophesying of the Two Witnesses which in turn covers the witnessing mentioned in Rev 12:7.
Interesting to note that if the actions are contemporaneous it would seem apparent that the Two Witnesses are not subject to the authority of the Wild Beast not at least until the end of their witnessing when they are killed.
This raises a number of questions. If they are not subject to the authority of the Wild Beast and are not "trampled" then are they Holy Ones, given that it is holy ones who get trampled? Or are they Holy Ones who have been exempted both this authority and "the hour of the test" like the congregation of Philadelphia. In fact is that whole congregation exempted?
Hmmm... the questions just keep a comin.
Anyway, tying it all back to the memorial, the question I raised before was whether the requirment to memorialise has ceased. 1 Cor 11:26 says to keep proclaiming the death of the Lord until he arrives.
I am sure that the end of the 1260 days will mean the coming of the Christ on the clouds of the heavens - i.e. the clear and obvious sign of him having come as per "parousia". I think this is clear from the connection between Rev 11:12 with the resurrection of the Two Witnesses at the end of the 1260 days and the "rapture" described in 1 Thess 4: 15-17. My next question though is..." has there been some preliminary arrival of his?" And if so is that when the proclaiming would cease or would it cease on the latter occurence?
I know this sounds like WTS think but I am not suggesting anything like 1914. I have in mind Canticles (Song of Solomon) 5:1-7 . The Shulamite's companion comes to her but she is not ready. She puts him off because it is not convenient for her! Her companion pulls back his hand from the door and leaves. She then belatedly follows, can't find him and in the process gets beaten (trampled?) by the so-called watchmen.
I suspect there are allusions to this set of events in
Rev 3:20,-22
20 Look! I am standing at the door and knocking. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come into his [house] and take the evening meal with him and he with me. 21 To the one that conquers I will grant to sit down with me on my throne, even as I conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22 Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations.'"
Rev 6:1
with the rider on the white horse riding forth to conquer and complete his conquest, this taking place before the rider on the white horse with the sword and the name
And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures say with a voice as of thunder: "Come!" 2 And I saw, and, look! a white horse; and the one seated upon it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went forth conquering and to complete his conquest.
Psalm 45 where the bridegroom is pictured as riding forth and we see his bride
3 Gird your sword upon [your] thigh, O mighty one,
[With] your dignity and your splendor.
4 And in your splendor go on to success;
Ride in the cause of truth and humility [and] righteousness,
And your right hand will instruct you in fear-inspiring things.
5 Your arrows are sharp-under you peoples keep falling-
In the heart of the enemies of the king.
Then there is the additional point of the Lord arriving at his temple to do a refining and cleansing work as expressed in Malachi 3:1-4
3 "Look! I am sending my messenger, and he must clear up a way before me. And suddenly there will come to His temple the [true] Lord, whom YOU people are seeking, and the messenger of the covenant in whom YOU are delighting. Look! He will certainly come," Jehovah of armies has said.
2 "But who will be putting up with the day of his coming, and who will be the one standing when he appears? For he will be like the fire of a refiner and like the lye of laundrymen. 3 And he must sit as a refiner and cleanser of silver and must cleanse the sons of Le´vi; and he must clarify them like gold and like silver, and they will certainly become to Jehovah people presenting a gift offering in righteousness. 4 And the gift offering of Judah and of Jerusalem will actually be gratifying to Jehovah, as in the days of long ago and as in the years of antiquity.
So my point here is that if he arrived a bit earlier and found things not quite ready so that he has to straighten things out first, then for those that discerned this arrival does that mean they stop proclaiming his death?
The question is "why are we doing this proclaiming of his death". The only reason I can think of is to show that there is indeed "faith" as it was said in Luke 18:8
8... Nevertheless, when the Son of man arrives, will he really find the faith on the earth?
Well, I think I have gone on long enough. I look forward to any further thinking here
Much love and spirit to all
ePig  
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