2 Salvations? - 2005/04/29 14:20Forgive me RR, I have started the thread for you ... nice to meet you BTW!!
Paul, to the Ephesians says there is one hope. What is this hope? Is it to 'heavenly life' or to 'earthly life'? IMO, it is neither.
Our hope, the Christian hope, is for 'all things' to be 'gathered together in the Christ' in 'heaven and on earth'. Jesus, in coming in the flesh, destroyed the works of the devil thus paving the way for a righteous standing before Jah. By faith, this righteous standing is ours now and, by faith, everlasting life is ours by means of the kingdom of God.
IMO, our destinies are for Jah and Jesus to determine. We should allow his spirit to reveal, or to 'bear witness' to our spirit what form of life the everlasting life will be.
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Re:2 Salvations? - 2005/04/29 17:09 Is it just me Eden, or do you make a great deal of sense sometimes? (most-times actually)
I like the way you think.
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Re:2 Salvations? - 2005/04/29 19:23I believe that the new Earth and new heavens will not have the distinctions and barriers that we experience today.The kingdom of God will be one kingdom I think, heaven and earth, as they should have been. The problem is, we have preconcieved (biblical) ideas about what heaven and earth entail, but our understanding is severely limited by our experience and fallability.
That said, I believe we all have roles prepared for us, some are better to rule as kings, somke make better priests, some make better garderners, our skills, talents and interests have been given to us by God and will be perfected by him. He made us all different for a reason. There's no equality as the world deems equality (I don't think the job of "KIng" will come up band we'll be able to apply for it) but the places God assigns for each of us will suit our characters perfectly. example - If I was given the job as a servant, not a priest, it wouldn't be because God thought I'd make a lousy priest and am not good enough, but because I would make a better servant and would be more fulfilled. The problem would only come if I rebelled against what GOd wanted me to do.
But as for eternal life, I believe we can experience much of our hope, or joy here, now, in this system as we're born again by God's spirit. Whatever the future holds, I don't care, as long as I do the will of God now, I know I'm safe in his hands. Whatever God has for me in the future, I know will be glorious, but I also intend to enjoy everything God has for me now. Here. THe power and the glory of a relationship with God are freely available today.
Much shalom.
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Re:2 Salvations? - 2005/05/03 14:46The problem with those of you that desire to live on a restore earth is that you refer to it as a "hope" when the scriptures never describe it as such. It is not a hiope, it is your desire, there is a difference.
There is only one hope mentioned in scriptures and that is the heavenly hope the only hope for those who profess to be Christians, the Christian hope.
There is only the one call now in effect and that is to the heavenly calling. “Ye were called in the one hope of your calling” (– Ephesians 4:4). There is no other hope presently. There is no call now to the earth. “I will pour out my spirit on all flesh.” – Joel 2:28 “The Spirit and the Bride say come and whosoever will let him take of the water of life freely.” (Rev. 21:17) There can be no call to the earth until the Bride class reigns in heaven and this has not yet happened. The “spirit and the Bride “say come.” Then and only then with there be opportunity for the world to obtain life.
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Re:2 Salvations? - 2005/05/04 09:09RR wrote: The problem with those of you that desire to live on a restore earth is that you refer to it as a "hope" when the scriptures never describe it as such. It is not a hiope, it is your desire, there is a difference. RR
RR, you're right, there is a big difference.
One of the problems is, if you're not born again, made alive in the spirit and had your old personality, the flesh, begin to be stripped away, then you have no desire for a heavenly life. How can you? Your heart is fixed on things of the world because the world is all you know. If you've never experienced God, then those who have seem very foolish indeed.
I remember after a particularly powerful worship meeting once, a young man came up to me and said "Is that what heaven is like then, us all just singing to God like muppets? Its boring."
He had seen the physical, not the spiritual. The time we had spent in God's presence had been beyond glory, yet he was blind to it. His desires were for physical things, and, if God was going to give him those physical things then he was happy to be a christian. But there was no reality of God's presence in his life, no dynamic. It was a lifestyle, nothing deeper. He did not know God's presence, so he did not hunger or thirst for it.
I don't have a theology about heaven and Earth. All I want to to see my God face to face and spend eternity in his presence. Nothing more.
Shalom Rav
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Re:2 Salvations? - 2005/05/04 11:21One of the problems is, if you're not born again, made alive in the spirit and had your old personality, the flesh, begin to be stripped away, then you have no desire for a heavenly life. How can you? Your heart is fixed on things of the world because the world is all you know. If you've never experienced God, then those who have seem very foolish indeed.
Where did you ever get such an absurd notion? It borders God defaming and even at that I'm being generous towards you.
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nice to meet you BTW!!
Is it just me Eden, or do you make a great deal of sense sometimes? (most-times actually)
