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Re:Here goes Raymond Franz on EW - 2005/05/11 20:08 Hello all how are you Guys

I found your comments in this post very Bad

What a waste of time worrin about what is the goings on with EW site. Not a show of love here.

Please forget it.
If it not your Cup of tea leave it out.
You know really no one has it all maybe the only part we have right is that Jehovah is God. Jesus his son the holy Spirit his active force the kingdom and maybde thats it. So no use dissin others when all they have is what we have HOPE
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Re:Here goes Raymond Franz on EW - 2005/05/11 21:25 Stormy wrote:
Of course EW couldn't take it anymore and he had to close the thread down with his usual insults. I wasn't surprised though at the amount of towards Franz because frankly a lot of the old timers are growing out of the EW mentallity. I can see that many are moving away from EW's propaganda that just leaves people spiritually stagnant. There is no spiritual growth the EW way. I also think that his judgemental dogmatic ways are only driving people away from him but not necesarily the board because they've made wonderful friends there.

I think he serves a purpose insofaras his essays help newly disgruntled JW's from going into a total meltdown. He gives them a reason to cling to something they've loved (WT) for so long. But as they slowly realize the Society has no place in God's future plan and they can't hack going to the meetings being complacent and putting on airs that there isn't anything wrong and they're in agreement with the Society on issues they really aren't they too start to pull away from the Society. EW makes the inevitable for many a slower process which really isn't a bad thing. He also provides a place where strong friendships are forged and people can pass along new ideas and interpretations.

So, what I see is many of the old timers are growing stronger spiritually and moving away from EW's ideologies but there will always be an influx of new ones because EW advertises the heck out of his site.

I've also become convinced that this guy is not looking for followers. He doesn't participate enough to try to keep people wrapped around his finger. Also, if you notice he rarely ever responds to the cooing over him. I'm not so sure he's all that concerned with the average rank and file hearing him ... I think he's interested in the top dogs attention. And I think he's got it. I think they're paying more attention to him then they ever did Ray Franz. When they came out that they were revamping the Awake! magazine I just got an uncanny feeling that it was to much of a coinkidink between his essay and the change in the magazine.

So yeah, he's rude, abrasive, obnoxious and his hermeneutics are attrocious but I think he's helping to reveal the truth about the Society and he's provided a place for hurting JW's to talk about their owies and that aint a bad thang.

Agape,
Stormy<br><br>Post edited by: Stormy, at: 2005/05/11 15:59

I thought those were rather wise words sister.
Your Peace, Surrender, In You,
YHVH Re-connect Co-operative
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Re:Here goes Raymond Franz on EW - 2005/05/12 09:54 Yeah Stormy!! I agree. Personality clashes are personality clashes - just because some one is right about something doesn't automatically make them your best friend.

I agree. I feel EW has an important role for the freshly enlightened JW (uugghh, I hate pigeon-holing people but unfortunately, 90-99% of JW's are in the same pigeon hole - I speak from experience ) But as I think most of us here have found, once we start learning and we keep progressing, the EW interpretations served a purpose in getting us using our own brains.

As far as Ray Franz goes I have no comment - I have not read his books, so don't have any clue what the issue(s) is/are. But IMHO, it is not Ray's nor EW's job to direct God's people anywhere. This is a major problem for JW's especially. This FDS doctrine has them waiting or looking for a faithful group of anointed to attach themselves to, when they should really just look to Jesus and the help of his spirit.

For me, despite the differences I have with EW, I trust that he is honest and hope that he continues to search for Jah. Now that he is df'd some doors should start opening for him.
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Re:Here goes Raymond Franz on EW - 2005/05/12 19:05 Hey how u and your Family Eden good to see you bro.

Nice words to bro your right when you say that we have been helped to see with our own minds, and isnt it massive we are able to show love and concern for whom ever comes our way wether they are spiritual or not. That is what I have found as Jehovah has reveal himself to be through my limited mind (limited as the days that is). But I now believe that his love gose way beyond our sight even with Holy Spirit we cant comprehen Gods Love and mercy.

The bro and sis s who finding encouragement to continue serving Jehovah the broken one the starved one remember Ezk 34 bro Jehovah will find us and when he dose his Holy Spirit will be poured out then we will see who his faithful slave will be.

Much love to you all. Ps/ Go easy on our brothers for they are as sheep thrown about without a shepard trying to find thier Maste.
May you have peace my brothers
and Sisters
servent1
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Re:Here goes Raymond Franz on EW - 2005/05/15 14:09 Isn't good that WE on this site aren't "hypocritical", and WE have 'moved on from being disgruntled JW's'. Now WE are here making negative comments about EW's site.

Haven't WE made fine "spiritual progress".
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Re:Here goes Raymond Franz on EW - 2005/05/15 20:27 amosfamily wrote:
Isn't good that WE on this site aren't "hypocritical", and WE have 'moved on from being disgruntled JW's'. Now WE are here making negative comments about EW's site.

Haven't WE made fine "spiritual progress".

Ah that was good. two thumbs up...

Mars
Your Peace, Surrender, In You,
YHVH Re-connect Co-operative
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