Re:The Use of Insulting Theological Terms - 2005/05/12 11:26shalom:
"To be honest, I don't much care what people label me. As long as God says I'm his, that's all I care about.Who cares if anyone labels you anti-christian, goyim,apostate, cultish, goatetc, we should only worry when God does not call us his children."
The reason why I care is because these people going around and calling others these names are claiming to be representives of Christ and if they claim to be such but act like jackasses..then they make Christianity as a whole look like a religion for jackasses.
"I'm probably labelled a Goat by most of eWatchman's site and maybe this one. "
I don;t anything about E-Watchman..but I know plenty about Watchman's Fellowship and I think it's a real jackass. It's a fundamental Protestant club that goes around tagging all non-Fundamental Protestants a "cult."
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Re:The Use of Insulting Theological Terms - 2005/05/12 11:36DxSharpe wrote: Well, he says he is consecrated. Do you believe a trinitarian can be consecrated?
You know Dina, it's not for me to question. He makes a claim, I have to accept it. I'm sure there are plenty of trinitarians in the little flock. I think what matters most if our heart condition, and our transforming ourselves into the likeness of Christ.
In the end is not doctrinal purity that gets us that crown, but the unconditional love that our Lord mentions he MUST have for all, regardless.
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Re:The Use of Insulting Theological Terms - 2005/05/12 12:20BeachOfEden wrote: Humm..that is interesting, that if I express Bible Students making anti-restored earth comments and I state their own quotes proving this..that by merely observing and quoting them makes me anti-earth.
To be honest with you I don't think you'll ever se an "anti-earth" commnet in Bible Students publications. In fact we are pro earth, and believe the vast majority of mankind will dwell forever on the earth in perfect conditions. All we say is that BEFORE any of that can happen ... is the Church class must be complete first, because as the Apostle Paul states, "theyl without us [the Church] cannot be made perfect." - Heb. 11:30 In plain ENglish, Restitution CANNOT happen until the Church is complete, because it is through them along with their head, Jesus, that restitution blessings come to the world of mankind. That is why we witness, to find the "feet members" of the Body of Christ.
I'll tell you what you agree to stop erefring to restored earth believers as "unChristians"..and I will stop pointing out. I can't because I never used the term. You are interpretating that term for me. UnChristian means you are not a Christian. You say you believe in Jesus, and that you endeavor to walk by Christian principles, thus by the definition you are Christian. Just like JW's, Catholics, Baptist, Mormons and any other group that claim to follow Christ.
BTW, if this concerns you, that you found me pointing this out, HERE, and I affraid I have bad news...cause I have also posted the very same quotes on as many sites as possible. I am not going to list which sites, that will be up to each person to discover on their own. But here's an idea...if the Bible Students, such as yourselves would stop calling restored earth believers UnChristians..then you would no longer have to worry about running here and there to explain what your quotes meant and why they sounded so negative.
Actually BOE, I don't make it a habit of visiting all the JW's, anti-JW's or JW related forums. I have my own forum and it is NOT the PRESENT TRUTH FORUM. And to be honest, we rarely speak of destinations, we speak about our walk with the Lord, we discuss our short comings, and of course we discuss beliefs, because many are somewhat affiliated with the Witnesses ( active, inactive, students) and there are people of opthers faiths, Adventist, etc.
As I stated to you before, the only reason I came here was because someone contacted me and sent me the link to your postings about me. Although I was a member before than, as I was invited to join, I didn't post.
Lord bless!
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Re:The Use of Insulting Theological Terms - 2005/05/12 12:51In the past, as I showed here you DID quote stating that you felt that certian restored earth believers were NOt "True followers of Christian." And you refered to them as "UnChristian." If you want, I can go back and quotes these quotes of yours again....You can not erase what you said in the past reagrding the likes of John the Baptists and the like, but you CAN from this day forward, reframe from discribing them as such from now on. But to deny you said this, when indeed how this whole topic was started is by me posting your precise quotes here, would make it look like your are denying what everyone already read. Would it not be better to admit the quotes you made on John the Baptist not being a true follower of Christ because he embrace the restored earth and that you did discribe the restored earth destiny as UnChristian..rather then to deny this all when people can go back to the begnning of this topic and prove it? Would it not benifit you to simply accept what you said in the past and simply make up your mind to word things differently in the future?
JW's have problems admitting when they have said things in the past and they call this, "New Light." I don;t think any of us here want to be like that.
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Re:The Use of Insulting Theological Terms - 2005/05/12 13:08BeachOfEden wrote: I don;t anything about E-Watchman..but I know plenty about Watchman's Fellowship and I think it's a real jackass. It's a fundamental Protestant club that goes around tagging all non-Fundamental Protestants a "cult."
Hi BoE,
I think you have e-watchman.com confussed with another watchman - e-w has no 'fellowship' other than the on-line forum. I know there are other internet sites with 'watchman' in the name and have been JWs or what ever. I have been a participant in the E-W forum since its inception 18 months ago or so, it does not brand anyone as a cult - it is a forum with a collection of various opinions, though JW based.
BTW, I am struggling to recognise the benefit of this argument. If RR, or 'bible students' are prejudicial in there opinions, why is that your problem? Or mine? All you or I can do is strive to emmulate the mind of Christ in our own lives, I can not control the hearts of others - not even Jah does that!
Another thing, are fundamental protestant clubs christian or non-christian jackasses?
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Re:The Use of Insulting Theological Terms - 2005/05/12 13:31BeachOfEden wrote: In the past, as I showed here you DID quote stating that you felt that certian restored earth believers were NOt "True followers of Christian." And you refered to them as "UnChristian." If you want, I can go back and quotes these quotes of yours again.... Again, I never used the term "unchristian", so please don't go taking other quotes and have them read that way.
You can not erase what you said in the past reagrding the likes of John the Baptists and the like, but you CAN from this day forward, reframe from discribing them as such from now on. But to deny you said this, when indeed how this whole topic was started is by me posting your precise quotes here, would make it look like your are denying what everyone already read. Would it not be better to admit the quotes you made on John the Baptist not being a true follower of Christ because he embrace the restored earth and that you did discribe the restored earth destiny as UnChristian..rather then to deny this all when people can go back to the begnning of this topic and prove it? Would it not benifit you to simply accept what you said in the past and simply make up your mind to word things differently in the future?
I don't feel I have to erase the thoughts I made regarding John the Baptist. Because I don't feel I was wrong. You however are, when you say I stated "John the Baptist not being a true follower of Christ because he embrace the restored earth." I never said that, there is nothing in John's life, his words, that indicate he wanted to live on earth. In fact, as a Jew, his destiny was of earth, because that was the promise made to the Jews as a nation going back to the promise to Abraham. So going to heaven was, and is totally foreign to Jews, then and for the most part today, at least among the orthodox Jews.
Now, regarding what I said about John NOT being a TRUE follower of Christ, is simply because he was born out of time. He was born a Jew, he kept the law, he did not enter into convenant relationship with Jesus, he was not a footstep follower of Jesus, he was not born of the spirit and adopted as a Son of God, he wasn't aware of these options because he died before he could pursue them, had the opportunity been given to him. I think you miss out on the what I mean by TRUE Follower. Simply believing Jesus was the Messiah did not make him a Christian. The Scriptures say that Abraham looked forward to Jesus' Day (John 8:56) Do we say that Abraham was a Christian? A True Follower of Jesus? I don't think so.
JW's have problems admitting when they have said things in the past and they call this, "New Light." I don;t think any of us here want to be like that.
I don't have a problem with admitting what I said in the past. What I have is a problem with those who read into something and claim what I didn't say or really mean.
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