Re:The annointed - who and how many really - 2005/08/27 00:59"They have mis-identified the anointed, Spiritual Israel, and the Faithful and Discreet Slave, and they deny their followers the the hope of the New Covenant by saying it belongs to others."
Jim,
The real Faithfull and Discreet Slave are being obscured (drowned) by unrighteous words (water) coming from the evil slave through books, magazines, conventions and assemblies (mouth of the serpent) however, the spirit of the truth/Internet (earth) has come to our aid by exposing (swallowing) the deception and untruths.
With the 3 1/2 times almost over we can expect not just a persecution but and all out war against us coming directly from the evil slave (serpent) and Satan (dragon).
Revelation 12:14-17
14 But the two wings of the great eagle were given the woman, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place; there is where she is fed for a time and times and half a time away from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent disgorged water like a river from its mouth after the woman, to cause her to be drowned by the river. 16 But the earth came to the woman’s help, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the river that the dragon disgorged from its mouth. 17 And the dragon grew wrathful at the woman, and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her seed, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus.
Times will be tough.
This is when our endurance will be absolutely necessary.
regards
ablebodiedman
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Re:The annointed - who and how many really - 2005/08/27 01:20What do you believe the 3-1/2 times to mean? When and with what did they start, and when and with what will they end?
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Re:The annointed - who and how many really - 2005/08/27 03:34Jim,
I think the 3 1/2 times is a period of judgement and also a period of enlightenment. We are being fed truths away from the face of the serpent in the wilderness.
The face of the serpent is where the evil slave can see you.
The Kingdom hall.
The wilderness is the Internet.
I am still not certain what the two wings of an eagle are?
With the two wings of an eagle you can fly up high and see everything.
Perhaps technology, perhaps the holy spirit / two witnessess?
When did it start?
It started when the last manifestation of Jesus Christs Presence was seen by the faithfull/evil slave, the present day "House of Israel".
Matthew 24 33 Likewise also YOU, when YOU see all these things, know that he is near at the doors.
Once seen Jesus Christ is standing at the door passing sentence.
Once the door opens Justice (sentence) will be executed.
I believe it ends 3 and 1/2 years after the start.
I have written a letter indicating what the last manifestation was.
The letter includes links to some of the supporting material.
It contains much convincing evidence however, it has been received with much indifference and even contempt by most.
Although this dismayed me at first and convinced me that all I had done was in vain, comfort was obtained through prayer and scripture that it will eventually be understood and have success at setting matters straight.
If you have questions I hope to also have an answer.
regards
ablebodiedman
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Re:The annointed - who and how many really - 2005/08/28 08:05This would mean that you have discerned the truth and demonstrated faith which, should now put you and everybody else who have discerned the same in the category described in the scriptures which succeed the above verses as follows:
2 Thessalonians 13-14
13 However, we are obligated to thank God always for YOU, brothers loved by Jehovah, because God selected YOU from [the] beginning for salvation by sanctifying YOU with spirit and by YOUR faith in the truth. 14 To this very destiny he called YOU through the good news we declare, for the purpose of acquiring the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
I think this very simple discernment itself identifies the faithfull slave.
by YOUR faith in the truth
Jim,
If you or anyone else agrees that here is a simple way to recognize the true FDS then other scripture now becomes more plausable.
If the FDS were difficult to identify which, Jesus himself expressed in scripture would be the case then how could they gather themselves together?
Matthew 24:45
45 “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?
Hebrew 10:23-25
23 Let us hold fast the public declaration of our hope without wavering, for he is faithful that promised. 24 And let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, 25 not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as YOU behold the day drawing near.
I hope you agree that the scripture in Hebrews above is really directed to the FDS and since we do discern that the end is almost here this scriptural command needs proper attention so that we can do God's will and not be amoungst those who forsake this command.
It certainly is a paradox that a command exists to gather together and yet at the same time reliable identification of the others was not easily discerned?
In order to gather together some very intimate communication must exist amoungst all of the true FDS.
From my personal experiences inside "Gods Organization" under the WTBTS this kind of intimate communication amoungst the FDS does not exist. In fact it does seem the custom of those who are presently taking the lead to forsake any gathering together and deny any form of communication other than that coming from the publications and conventions.
One way communication only.
As some now agree the evil slave does in fact still exist inside the WTBTS then the forsaking becomes more understandable.
The method quoted above would lead to a separation also.
It would separate those who are happy to continue with the unrighteous deceptions from those who are not.
Those who discern and do not wish to share in the deception have nothing to be ashamed of however, those who persist should eventually "pale in shame".
Zephaniah 2:1-2
1 Gather yourselves together, yes, do the gathering, O nation not paling in shame. 2 Before [the] statute gives birth to [anything], [before the] day has passed by just like chaff, before there comes upon YOU people the burning anger of Jehovah, before there comes upon YOU the day of Jehovah’s anger,
There are scriptures which explain that angels will actively particpate in the gathering however, both Hebrews and Zephaniah explain that it is "yourselves" which, implies some large effort is required from the true FDS itself.
So if a method now exists to identify the true FDS there are still some questions which remain.
Gather what - the true FDS.
Gather who - a method now exists to identify individuals.
Gather when - as the end approaches - now!
Gather how ?
Gather where ?
May this thread stand as a witness to all that I have at least extended some effort myself so that I should not be counted in amoungst those who are foresaking the command to gather.
regards
ablebodiedman
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Re:The annointed - who and how many really - 2005/08/28 15:14Gather what - the true FDS.
Gather who - a method now exists to identify individuals.
Gather when - as the end approaches - now!
Gather how ?
Gather where ?
I think Isaiah 32:14-20 may provide the required answers:
15 until upon us the spirit is poured out from on high, and the wilderness will have become an orchard, and the orchard itself is accounted as a real forest.
16 “And in the wilderness justice will certainly reside, and in the orchard righteousness itself will dwell. 17 And the work of the [true] righteousness must become peace; and the service of the [true] righteousness, quietness and security to time indefinite.
I suspect from the profound discernments presently being made in this Internet forum (and others) that spirit is now just starting to be "poured out from on high".
Where will the gathering take place?
Here, in the Internet wilderness.
If you read the context it appears that the gathering starts to happen " a year and some days" before the end (judging) of our present leadership (the city becomes low in an abased state) and should continue afterwards.
What do you think?
regards
ablebodiedman
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Re:The annointed - who and how many really - 2005/08/28 21:47Well, the faithful and sensible slave is identified by the master when he arrives, and he hasn't arrived yet. So, we can't identify those who haven't been identified as such by him, we can only hope that we will be found faithful. The problem with the Society is that they have presumptuously claimed to be something they aren't. So, none of us should fall into that same pit. We know from the parables that followed, that the slave must be putting what he was entrusted with to good use and gaining an increase for the master, and that he hasn't allowed his lamp to go out. That is certainly what many can be found doing on sites such as this. As for the unfaithful slave, they are found beating those who were entrusted to them, because the master doesn't return when he is expected. Organized religion has been doing it for centuries, and the Society started doing it especially after 1975 when they started blaming the sheep for believing armageddon was coming then, and then they started searching for and "killing" "apostates." If anyone is interested, this is covered in the link http://www.2001translation.com/The%20Faithful%20and%20Sensible%20Slave.htm I am so happy to see such sincere interest.
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