You were positively created - 2005/09/06 18:00You were positively created!
An object that has a geometry and an arrangement of parts that would require preternatural formation is evidence of it being the product of intelligent design.
Crystals, spheres, prisms, and other basic shapes are found in nature and are produced by ordinary chemical processes.
However when we see a combustion engine made of medals and ceramics from specific ores we recognize this is a preternatural formation. It was intelligently designed, engineered, and built. No chemical process or group of such processes found in nature can make a combustion engine without an intelligence orchestrating it. For example, you won't find a combustion engine being formed as stalactite does in a cave or as salt crystals do from the evaporation of brine.
(1) Objects of preternatural geometries and arrangements of parts are created by an intelligence! There are millions of examples documented in the US Patent office alone.
(2) Living organisms have geometries and arrangements of parts that are demonstrated to be preternatural. No theory of macro evolution assessed through mathematical or computational biology has been substantiated. The likelihood of the formation of living organisms from unadorned chemical processes has been demonstrated to be grossly negligible.
Re:You were positively created - 2005/09/10 22:12Detecting intelligence;
There are intrinsic characteristics of the trillions of known designs atributed to known intelligent beings. This will be our detection means.
(1) cog(Ic(kD)) -> iC(kD)
(2) if{iC(kD) = iC(obj)} -> cog(Ic(obj))
(1) cognition of Intelligent creation of known Designs reveals intrinsic Characteristics of known Designs
(2) if intrinsic Characteristics of known Designs equals intrinsic Characteristics of an object, it reveals cognition of Intelligent creation of an object
Re:You were positively created - 2005/09/15 22:52The first step in any investigation of God would be first to prove a divine intelligence exists. Before we can prove there is a divine intelligence we must demonstrate how to test whether or not there is intelligence without examination of a material being. For example; how do we know humans have intelligence if we were not allowed to examine the human body; what else would we use to demonstrate our intelligence? I believe the answer is revealed by the creation of objects we ourselves have designed.
Counterfactual implication can demonstrate causality;
(1) If an object is an intelligent creation then it has characteristics of known designs
(2) If an object has characteristics of known designs then it is an intelligent creation
It would not be correct to say an object being an intelligent creation causes it to have characteristics of known design, since the relationship between intelligent creation and characteristics of known design is one of definition. Nonetheless, even interpreted counterfactually, the statements are true.
What then are the intrinsic characteristics of known designs? Humans have intelligently created trillions of such objects. So, surely we have enough examples to demonstrate a trend.
The composition, geometry and arrangement of parts of objects intelligently designed do not form from insensate phenomena.
For example; a simple stop sign. It may not seem like genius was needed to design one, but we are glad to have them because they can protect us from injury. The composition of a stop sign is usually some carbon steel with red and white paint. The geometry is a particularly thin sheet of uniform thickness in a perfect octagon.
Ask yourself this straightforward question; Can a stop sign form from insensate phenomena? For example; are there any volcanoes spewing out 2000 plus fereheight carbon steel in perfect geometries of thin sheet octagons? If so, is there any process that can place petro-chemical paints in unsmeared perfect shapes onto one of the objects sides?
The answer is no, it cannot form from any insensate phenomena we know of. Some nihilistic sophists would argue; it can form from insensate phenomena we have no knowledge of because we do not have absolute knowledge of all things. Pragmatically speaking, this level of criticism makes all beliefs unprovable assumptions because any belief can be countered from the ignorance of possibilities imagined. No matter how unrealistic. That sort of ignorance belongs to the idiocy hall of fame. Stop signs do not and never will form from insensate phenomena. It is as simple as that.
Having demonstrated a test of intelligence, particularly in humans, we can now extend this test to God.
Re:You were positively created - 2005/09/15 23:06I really have no idea what you're on about Polemotheos, but it seems fascinating so please continue.
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Re:You were positively created - 2005/09/16 00:20Wuji wrote: I really have no idea what you're on about Polemotheos, but it seems fascinating so please continue. Can you prove God's existence?Your Peace, Surrender, In You, YHVH Re-connect Co-operative
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