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Re:Daniel should now make sense - 2005/10/03 04:49 ablebodiedman wrote:
Of what significance for the time of the end is knowing these things. It does not help me or anyone else understand what is happening in the world right now, during this time of the end. It is of no help to me to get a history lesson and yet the vision is intended to help the faithful and righteous ones at the time of the end.

polemotheos wrote:
The significance of knowing that there are prophecies in the bible to which we can prove were fullfilled has great import for our day. It is the very substance of Faith. In fact if you distort this prophecy and others you will have no verifiable proof there is any prophecy in the bible in the first place.

Polemotheos,

You are saying here that the purpose of this prophecy is simply to increase your faith in the rest of the bible because you are able to very loosely connect it to a very small portion of actual historical events. This loose connection is the verifiable proof which you are presently using to substantiate your faith.

On the other hand I have connected all of it to historical events and also helped the pragmatic reader see how it connects to the very disturbing events which are currently occuring as well as provide understanding and hope for what is soon to come. All this supported with parallel scriptures which creates a beautiful pattern of Jehovah's wisdom and justice.

Which one of these should be the more upbuilding to the "substance of our faith"?

The one loosely connected to a very short history lesson or the one which makes historical, current and future events understandable as well as give glory to the one who inspired the scriptures.

Using all your own methods with which you seem to be using to test the truth here in both the popular and the new interpretation which one has the "greatest import for our day"?


regards


ablebodiedman
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Re:Daniel should now make sense - 2005/10/03 05:07 polemotheos wrote:
None the less you should consider that Catholicism is still around and so is the Orthodox churchs. They have one of the largest groups of people. Possibly more then the protestent derived groups. So how could the goat defeat the ram here?

The scriptures do not say that the ram was destroyed is says that the ram was:

Daniel 8:7

So it threw it to the earth and trampled it down, and the ram proved to have no deliverer out of its hand.


Trampled down.

Please consider the huge amount of power the Catholic Church had over the entire earth. The atrocities which were allowed to continue in many different countries and national rulerships simply because some individual parties did not subject themselves to the Ram.

Except in third world countries like Rwanda this power no longer exists.

Protestantism would not allow it.

They "trampled down" the power of the Catholic Church.


regards


ablebodiedman

Post edited by: ablebodiedman, at: 2005/10/03 05:08
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Re:Daniel should now make sense - 2005/10/03 05:27 polemotheos wrote:
Personally I am tempted to believe the small horn is Rome to which there conquest of the holy land and there destruction of the temple is the fullfillment of the promise lands last days.

You should then have some proofs which everyone else could validate.

Otherwise, anything beyond proof is blind faith and a fat waste of time.

I would rather look at this in a practical way by contemplating what the angel Gabriel should or should not have said if what you are saying above is true.


Daniel 8:19
19 And he went on to say: “Here I am causing you to know what will occur in the final part of the denunciation, because it is for the appointed time of [the] end.

If the angel was refering to the denunciation on Jerusalem by the Romans in 70ad then he should not have said "final part of the denunciation" nor should he have said the "appointed time of the end".

If what you are tempted to say above is true we would now be living after the time of the end and the final part of the denunciation.

I personally think the world we are now living in is so evil that it certainly deserves a denunciation and this especially to those who bear Jehovah's name and yet continue to neglect his words of justice and truth.

Therefore, being very pragmatic about the present condition of the world and measuring this against the words of Gabriel in Daniel Chapter 8 I have to conclude and also hope that the final part is still to come.

If you can validate what you are tempted to believe I may reconsider my conclusion above.


regards


ablebodiedman

Post edited by: ablebodiedman, at: 2005/10/03 05:29
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