Re:Daniel should now make sense - 2005/09/27 09:32polemotheos wrote: Lets see if you can answer this staight forward question;
Was the world power of Greece prophicied in the bible and can you show me which chapters in Daniel that prove it?
Consider if Daniel 8 is needed to demonstrate the bibles prophetic value for showing the world powers to come how can you use your own interpretation.
Your claiming the king of media and persia is the Catholic religion right?
Then your claiming the king of Greece is Protesism and then the four major splits from that religion.
I think your interpretation invalidates the verifiable prophetic word of God.
How do you resolve that. Maybe in your mind you do not need too.
Polemotheos,
Lets see if you can answer this staight forward question; I could not find many straightforward questions in your post.
Was the world power of Greece prophicied in the bible
Don't Know.
and can you show me which chapters in Daniel that prove it?
Are there chapters in Daniel which prove it?
Consider if Daniel 8 is needed to demonstrate the bibles prophetic value for showing the world powers to come how can you use your own interpretation.
Why do you think the human powers to come and are now in fact a long time passed are needed for us today?
If they are needed why just the kings of
Media Persia and Greece
There were a very large number of different human Kings of Media and Persia as well as Greece. Why would prophecy just mention 3 insignificant human kings?
Having knowledge of ancient human kingdoms were not the most significant things neeeded to understand the end times wheras understanding what is happening and effecting true worship is of utmost importance during this present time of the end.
This is the intention of the vision:
Daniel 8:17
And he proceeded to say to me: “Understand, O son of man, that the vision is for the time of [the] end.”
how can you use your own interpretation.
All the other ones don't make sense and provide absolutely no help or guidance for faithfull ones searching for truth and true worship during this time of the end. This vision was intended to help faithfull ones see through and understand the true source of these unrighteous deceptions and transgressions which are in fact now occuring at the present time, the time of the end.
Certainly this is the intent of the vision rather than the more popular and mundane history lesson which Satan and his evil slave the man of lawlessness would prefer to have us believe.
Your claiming the king of media and persia is the Catholic religion right?
I am announcing that the king of media and king of persia are demonic creatures who had a large effect on two of the initial and largest of religions which followed christianity after the 1st century. Eastern Orthodox and then Western Rite which evolved into the much larger Roman Catholic. These religions are symbolically represented by the Ram with two horns, one taller than the other.
Then your claiming the king of Greece is Protesism and then the four major splits from that religion.
I am announcing that the king of Greece is a demonic creature who became a driving force behind the change to protestantism. The religion itself is symbolically represented by a goat.
I think your interpretation invalidates the verifiable prophetic word of God.
I think you will find that what I have posted so far in this thread is more verifiable than any other interpretation.
How do you resolve that.
Through measuring the scriptures against historical as well as current events and double checking the validity with parrallel supporting scriptures.
Maybe in your mind you do not need too.
I am always prayerfully resolving these things in my mind
I hope that is straightforward
Thanks for your questions.
regards
ablebodiedman
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Re:Daniel should now make sense - 2005/09/27 14:39abm,
Did you know that when Daniel wrote chapter 8, Greece was not a world power?
Did you know that the king of Greece who concured the world died and four kings came out instead of him?
Re:Daniel should now make sense - 2005/09/28 01:44polemotheos wrote: abm,
Did you know that when Daniel wrote chapter 8, Greece was not a world power?
Did you know that the king of Greece who concured the world died and four kings came out instead of him?
Did you know that is called prophecy?
Why are you oblivious to this?
Polemotheos,
Did you know that when Daniel wrote chapter 8, Greece was not a world power?
Yes
Did you know that the king of Greece who concured the world died and four kings came out instead of him?
Yes
Did you know that is called prophecy?
Of what significance for the time of the end is knowing these things. It does not help me or anyone else understand what is happening in the world right now, during this time of the end. It is of no help to me to get a history lesson and yet the vision is intended to help the faithful and righteous ones at the time of the end.
Why are you oblivious to this?
I am well aware of the popular interpretations and that is why I thought it better to be patient and wait for the "time of the end" when the angel assured Daniel that it would be understood
If you are so determined that the four goat horns represent the kings who replaced Alexander then it is from one of these that the small horn grew which eventually brings the "holy ones to ruin" during the time of the end.
If this scripture is representing human kings I think he would be very old by now.
The popular interpretations are like owning a couch that is too short for stretching oneself on or a woven sheet that is too narrow when wrapping oneself up.
regards
ablebodiedman . . .
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Re:Daniel should now make sense - 2005/09/28 05:42polemotheos wrote: Did you know that is called prophecy?
ablebodiedman wrote: Of what significance for the time of the end is knowing these things. It does not help me or anyone else understand what is happening in the world right now, during this time of the end. It is of no help to me to get a history lesson and yet the vision is intended to help the faithful and righteous ones at the time of the end.
The significance of knowing that there are prophecies in the bible to which we can prove were fullfilled has great import for our day. It is the very substance of Faith. In fact if you distort this prophecy and others you will have no verifiable proof there is any prophecy in the bible in the first place.
Not every part of the vision of Daniel has been sealed for all people until before harmagedon. Consider they would not have known when the Messiah would appear without understanding Daniels prophecy.
ablebodiedman wrote: I am well aware of the popular interpretations and that is why I thought it better to be patient and wait for the "time of the end" when the angel assured Daniel that it would be understood
If you are so determined that the four goat horns represent the kings who replaced Alexander then it is from one of these that the small horn grew which eventually brings the "holy ones to ruin" during the time of the end.
If this scripture is representing human kings I think he would be very old by now.
The popular interpretations are like owning a couch that is too short for stretching oneself on or a woven sheet that is too narrow when wrapping oneself up.
After looking this up in the watchtower I see why the need for further investigation regarding the small horn. They think it is Britain. This would corrilate with the other small horn from other visions in the bible.
None the less you should consider that Catholicism is still around and so is the Orthodox churchs. They have one of the largest groups of people. Possibly more then the protestent derived groups. So how could the goat defeat the ram here?
Personally I am tempted to believe the small horn is Rome to which there conquest of the holy land and there destruction of the temple is the fullfillment of the promise lands last days.
Re:Daniel should now make sense - 2005/09/29 02:26Polemotheos,
I think you should read the first post in this thread again.
I have been adding to it almost every morning and some evenings, it should now be more comprehensive.
I still need to add more which will tie together many of the scriptures in the bible in such a way that we can see the extraordinary wisdom which belongs to the one who inspired these scriptures.
Please keep reading the first post, asking questions and providing comment.
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