Re:SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT... - 2005/11/13 19:39Littleleslie: "So can you tell me who the "chieftian" of Ezekiel 40-48 is?"
What sort of logic is it that just because no one else can confidently say who the 'Chieftain' is that it must therefore be Donald Burney, merely because you think his explanation is the best you've read. How ridiculous.
Mr Burney is exceedingly intelligent and insightful on many things, but since he wrote 'The Report' he has become totally 'puffed up' with knowledge. He has confused his ability to see many errors of the Watchtower Society, as did Ray Franz, to mean he is fulfilling a number of prophetic roles in scripture. There is often a thin line between genius and delusional.
You should repent of your idolatry of Donald Burney, who has cast his charismatic spell on you, sister Littleleslie. Your only master and shephard is Jesus, right? You have merely swapped idolatry of the Watchtower Society for idolatry of Don Burney. Stop putting your faith in men, in whom their is no salvation, and start listening to the voice of Jesus, who you are inciting to jealousy.
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The Kings of Ezekeil have Fornicated also! - 2005/11/14 04:06ablebodiedman wrote: Further back in this same thread! Littleleslie wrote: And James 4:4, speaking to all christian "ADULTERESSES" (Jehovah's witnesses), current members of the "christian" covenant, plainly shows that the "christian" contract can be broken if "adultery" is involved. Which opens the door for God Himself to take this action, as the innocent party in this most horrendous, adulterous affair, of the NGO situation.
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Littleleslie
Littleleslie,
The adultery which concerns me is the relationship that a large number of anointed ones have with the evil slave, the man of lawlessness.
Their faith should be in Jesus Christ their king.
Instead they have given their loyalty to an organisation who have blatantly opposed one of Jesus Christ's foremost laws regarding baptism.
These anointed ones should be observing the commandments and bearing witness to Jesus. (Revelation 12:17)
Instead they have commited spiritual prostitution with an organization who have undermined Jesus Christs authority by changing his laws.
Ask yourself the question why these anointed ones would participate in a memorial of Jesus Christs death which, is organised by the man of lawlessness, the evil slave who undermines the authority of Jesus Christ?
These anointed ones are supposed to rule as kings over the earth!
Rev 5:1
10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”
Yet, they have commited spiritual fornication!
Revelation 17
1 And one of the seven angels that had the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying: “Come, I will show you the judgment upon the great harlot who sits on many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, whereas those who inhabit the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”
Because of their wicked acts, the "temple" then must be cleansed. These "rebellious" leaders and "rebellious" nation, are called by God: "Rebelliousness, the house of Israel". Yes, they are a "rebellious" people in God's sight -- very much so! This is why, Almighty God also goes on to say to these wicked people, they have "broken his covenant" with them, as a nation and people, and "defiled" His Holy Name. Therefore, the people must repent, and "remove their fornication" and "carcasses of their kings" far away from God, and then Jehovah will "certainly reside in the midst of them to TIME INDEFINITE" or forever. This is God's Promise to them. -- See Ezekiel 44:6, 7; Ezekiel 43:8, 9.
It seems like Ezekiel and I agree!
Therefore, the people must repent, and "remove their fornication" and "carcasses of their kings" far away from God, and then Jehovah will "certainly reside in the midst of them to TIME INDEFINITE" or forever.
I am flattered.
And struggling to retain some humility however, it all quickly disappears when I realize that I also need to benefit from the spiritual cleansing and forgiveness being offered by Jehovah through a new and improved temple arrangement.
Why?
I agreed to the same vows which I am now condemning and unwittingly fell prey to Satans unrighteous deception.
with much regret
ablebodiedman
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Re:The Kings of Ezekeil have Fornicated also! - 2005/11/14 04:20Quote from Living Waters: Therefore, because of this horrendous spiritual condition the people exist in, the people must be taught again, "the difference between a holy thing and a profane thing. They must again be taught, the difference between what is unclean and what is clean". (See Isaiah 54:13) In fact, because of the filthy spiritual condition of the nation at that time, yes even the [copper] "altar" upon which the sacrifices of the nation are normally to be offered, is also completely "defiled" in God's sight. So, again, this "altar" first must be "atoned" for, "cleansed" and then "installed" again, before God will accept the nations offerings upon it. -- See Ezekiel 43:26; Ezekiel 44:23.
the people must be taught again, "the difference between a holy thing and a profane thing.
The letter for which I have wriiten and is published on this same web site starts to explain the depth and seriousness of the horrendous spiritual condition Jehovah's Witnessess are in.
It proves that they currently have no idea how profane the things they do are in Jehovah's eyes.
Please read and understand the letter which can be found through this link:
Like some posters on this forum most Jehovah's Witnesses think it is no big deal.
Read how exacting Jehovah wants his temple built in the final chapters of Ezekiel if you think it is no big deal to undermine the baptismal commandment given to us by his appointed and much deserving King Jesus Christ in Matthew Chapter 28.
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Re:SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT... - 2005/11/14 04:56Quote Littleleslie:
The 12 Tribes of Israel are apportioned land at Jehovah's Command in chapter 48. Starting from the uppermost northern region, we see the tribes in this order coming down from the northern most tip: Dan, Asher, Naphtali, Mannasseh, Ephraim, Reuben, Judah, Benjamin, Simeon, Issachar, Zebulun Gad. -- Ezekial 48:1-27
Question #21
Here is another interesting question:
If Joseph is one of Jacobs sons why is he not mentioned in the list above?
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Re:SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT... - 2005/11/14 05:31Littleleslie wrote:
1. (a) Who is this mystery "Chieftain" of Ezekiel's Temple? Can we scripturally identity the "Chieftain" -- whether the "Chieftain" is the High Priest in this future Temple or not?
Littleslie,
Please give me your scriptural identity of the "Chieftain" of Ezekiel's Temple.
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Re:SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT... - 2005/11/14 08:02Hi Ablebodiedman:
So you are asking me how I or anyone else would positively identify this "Chieftain". (Ezekiel 44:3)
Personally, for me, it was like a big complicated puzzle, which "Living Waters" information was crucial to help solve...the missing link or the key to solving this puzzle.
Now, I have been baptized as one of Jehovah's Witnesses for some 28 years. In the last 5-10 years, it has become increasingly evident to me that SOMETHING was wrong, only I didn't know what. I felt it and saw evidence at the Kingdom Hall that Jehovah's spirit was either gone completely or greatly lacking. I couldn't think Jehovah was so ineffective as to allow such blatant terrible, unjust, unloving things to happen as what I saw. Pure wickedness! I'm not going into details but I think everyone can fill in the blanks because it wasn't just my local congregation, this is a worldwide problem. Does Jehovah have no say as to what happens at his "house"? I didn't think so.
Then I discovered the fact that the UN/NGO affair happened. Because of this a friend pointed me towards e-watchman website, and I started to read there, searching for answers. Then realizing for myself, after reading on that particular DB that there were differing opinions and nobody knew what to do, there was nothing but confusion itself. Brothers and sisters went back and forth admittedly not knowing what to do. I prayed and prayed to Jehovah to please show me what to do. I wanted to do what he wanted me to do...go to meetings, or quit going, what was it?
And then I was introduced to Living Waters Forum through a friend and I decided to take a look. The "Living Waters" People KNEW what to do and why, and could answer it scripturally.
The teachings that Living Waters shared with me, I began to feel its origin was of a divine source. Nobody could tell me this, or if this info was true or not true...I would have to see this for myself. (Matthew 16:15-17) That's just the way I am. So, I couldn't just be told that and accept it, I had to do the reading and study, looking up all the scriptures for myself. I had to allow Jehovah to teach me. I had to have an open mind and since I knew Jehovah couldn't be with Watchtower anymore, that led me to pursue my search for him. (Isa. 54:13)
First, I decided to purchase the book. I had to read "THE REPORT", because that book is designed to bring out the facts and helped me see without a shadow of a doubt the way Jehovah felt about the spiritual condition of "his name people". As you have noted, the prophecy of Ezekiel helps greatly in that endeavor.
Next, I realized, it was really important to my spiritual growth to rid myself of all false teachings and be completely open to NEW IDEAS for the first time...teachings like the "Chieftain" of Ezekiel's prophecy. I believe this newfound attitude on my part, thus allowed me to let go of the false teachings that I had been indoctrinated with for all those years.
I know you have personally been resisting the idea of reading that book authored by Don Burney. But, purchasing the book and getting my personal copy of the book, I believe was a key aspect of putting this puzzle together for me.
This is how I came to a knowledge that Jehovah has chosen to use another means to bless his people...a temple arrangement itself. I cannot tell anybody this, I can only point them in the direction and tell them where the information is. YOU have to read it (the book & website) and like a "beorean" carefully examine God's Word and then obey his commandments. (Acts 17:11; 1 John 5:3)
In reading 1 John 5:3, ask yourself who and where in the Bible does it say that Watchtower has a monopoly on truth?
There is another source of divine truth now, I believe. Indeed, I believe Jehovah has left the Watchtower.
And as 1 John 5:3 brings out, if we love Jehovah, we will observe his commandments. Even if it has a slightly different twist than what we were expecting!
I finally concluded that Donald C. Burney could explain the "SACRET SECRETS" of God...like Man of Lawlessness, and who Babylon the Great was. 2 Thessalonians 2:3,7; Revelation 17:5,7.
Love, Littleleslie
Post edited by: Littleleslie, at: 2005/11/14 08:40WOW!!! "Who would'a thunk?"
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