Who Can Discern Inspired Utterances? - 2005/11/05 07:34The inspired first century christian writer Paul wrote:
(1 Corinthians 12:10) "...to yet another operations of powerful works, to another prophesying, to another discernment of inspired utterances, to another different tongues, and to another interpretation of tongues."
So I would like to start off this discussion with the question,
The Watchtower Society admits in their literature they themselves and all 6 million Jehovah's witnesses worldwide are NOT INSPIRED nor do they make such a claim today. This is a fact. Therefore my question is, if Jehovah's witnesses openly admit and do NOT claim to be inspired (all 6 million of them) at all then, how do they explain their ability to expertly explain "inspired utterances" or prophetic expressions from God's Word, to the world at large, billions of people, WITHOUT by necessity, being inspired?
I believe Paul made it clear, the ability to "discern inspired utterances" can only come from Jehovah whereby this person would by necessity, need to be inspired of God, as this is clearly a "gift of the spirit" from God.
Now, we would have to say this wouldn't we, especially due to the fact that the prophetic message found in God Word itself, the "inspired utterance" itself from the prophet (Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, etc), is in fact INSPIRED from God. Therefore, wouldn't it follow then that the given INTERPRETATION of such "inspired utterances" also, would by necessity need to be given FROM AN INSPIRED PERSON too? (See John 4:25)
That's my question. Any thoughts?
agape,
Patrick
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ablebodiedman
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Re:Who Can Discern Inspired Utterances? - 2005/11/06 04:07Who Can Discern Inspired Utterances?
answer: No one, unless they have help.
John 16
5 But now I am going to him that sent me, and yet not one of YOU asks me, ‘Where are you going?’ 6 But because I have spoken these things to YOU grief has filled YOUR hearts. 7 Nevertheless, I am telling YOU the truth, It is for YOUR benefit I am going away. For if I do not go away, the helper will by no means come to YOU; but if I do go my way, I will send him to YOU. 8 And when that one arrives he will give the world convincing evidence concerning sin and concerning righteousness and concerning judgment: 9 in the first place, concerning sin, because they are not exercising faith in me; 10 then concerning righteousness, because I am going to the Father and YOU will behold me no longer; 11 then concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
12 “I have many things yet to say to YOU, but YOU are not able to bear them at present. 13 However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, he will guide YOU into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he hears he will speak, and he will declare to YOU the things coming. 14 That one will glorify me, because he will receive from what is mine and will declare it to YOU. 15 All the things that the Father has are mine. That is why I said he receives from what is mine and declares [it] to YOU.
The "spirit of the truth" are words coming from a helper which, are indirectly coming from Jesus Christs own mouth. Our King Jesus Christ has in turn been given the task by Jehovah, the Universal Sovereign.
With out the spirit of the truth we would not be able to understand the "inspired utterances" and would also not be able to bear the truths contained within them.
"YOU are not able to bear them at present" John 16:12
For example the bible explains that the "man of lawlessness" would be revealed and brought to nothing by:
2 Thessalonians 2:8
8 Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth
If you carefully read the letter which is presented in an article on this web site the "man of lawlessness" will be revealed to you.
This is indeed proving to be a truth which many are finding difficult to bear.
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Re:Who Can Discern Inspired Utterances? - 2005/11/06 14:23The best way to discern the inspiration of an utterance is to test it thoroughly with the scriptures....relying on God's perfect Word instead of man's imperfect word.
Love, Tami
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Re:Who Can Discern Inspired Utterances? - 2005/11/06 17:34Patrick,
I like this scripture:
"For three transgressions of Edom, and for four, I will not turn away its punishment, because he pursued his brother with the sword, and cast off all pity..." Amos 1:11
Whether it's the GB or the leader of your group love of brother comes first, he that does not love his brother does not have God's spirit and cannot discern anything more than what logic and common sense allows him.
So far your group is vying with the GB as to who is most lacking in love and in common sense. It's neck and neck right now. lol
Cecilia
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ablebodiedman
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Re:Who Can Discern Inspired Utterances? - 2005/11/07 04:41Cecilia wrote: I like this scripture:
"For three transgressions of Edom, and for four, I will not turn away its punishment, because he pursued his brother with the sword, and cast off all pity..." Amos 1:11
Me too!
On Friday Night I attended a Judicial Commitee Hearing where I defended the contents of my letter.
I made certain that my loyalty to and union with Jesus Christ as King by adhering to his commands and laws was manifested.
Which laws? Read the letter posted on this web site to understand.
I was disfellowshiped on grounds which they were unable to prove in the bible and instead used words which originate only from the Governing Body, not the bible.
When I left the meeting I jumped for joy.
Why?
Revelation 14:13
13 And I heard a voice out of heaven say: “Write: Happy are the dead who die in union with [the] Lord from this time onward. Yes, says the spirit, let them rest from their labors, for the things they did go right with them.”
John 16:1
1 “I have spoken these things to YOU that YOU may not be stumbled. 2 Men will expel YOU from the synagogue. In fact, the hour is coming when everyone that kills YOU will imagine he has rendered a sacred service to God. 3 But they will do these things because they have not come to know either the Father or me. 4 Nevertheless, I have spoken these things to YOU that, when the hour for them arrives, YOU may remember I told them to YOU.
Romans 9:26
26 and in the place where it was said to them, ‘YOU are not my people,’ there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”
Matthew 5:11
11 “Happy are YOU when people reproach YOU and persecute YOU and lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against YOU for my sake(Jesus Christ). 12 Rejoice and leap for joy, since YOUR reward is great in the heavens; for in that way they persecuted the prophets prior to YOU.
I now also have the scripture you provided above to give me comfort.
Thank you Cecilia.
regards
ablebodiedman
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Re:Who Can Discern Inspired Utterances? - 2005/11/07 06:11I am also getting a lot of comfort from the verse of the day posted on this site:
So we say with confidence, "The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?"
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