12 “‘I shall positively gather Jacob, all of you; I shall without fail collect the remaining ones of Israel together. In unity I shall set them, like a flock in the pen, like a drove in the midst of its pasture; they will be noisy with men.’
13 “The one making a breakthrough will certainly come up before them: they will actually break through. And they will pass through a gate, and they will go out by it. And their king will pass through before them, with Jehovah at the head of them.”
Who will be amoung the first to break through and how many will there be?
There will be 12 sons of Jacob who break through with Jesus Christ their King and Jehovah their God at the head of them.
There will be one of them who is treated with great disrespect just as Joseph was by his own brothers however, the Joseph antitype will prevail in a kind and understanding way and still help (the helper) his brothers.
These 12 are the stars on the head of the woman.
Revelation 12
1 And a great sign was seen in heaven, a woman arrayed with the sun, and the moon was beneath her feet, and on her head was a crown of twelve stars, 2 and she was pregnant. And she cries out in her pains and in her agony to give birth.
At this time she really is about to give birth. (making a breakthrough).
Moses described in Deuteronomy the situation that would befall God's people at the "close of the days".
Deuteronomy 31
29 For I well know that after my death YOU will without fail act ruinously, and YOU will certainly turn aside from the way about which I have commanded YOU; and calamity will be bound to befall YOU at the close of the days, because YOU will do what is bad in the eyes of Jehovah so as to offend him by the works of YOUR hands.”
Read Deuteronomy Chapter 32 and calculate the similarities to our present situation.
Then read Deuteronomy Chapter 33 to understand the different attributes of the "12 Stars" or antitype of the sons of Jacob.
I am convinced that if we are patient we should be able to attribute these qualities to 12 individuals who will eventually Come Out! and Reveal themselves. These men should presently be living righteous lives on the earth today and I think they probably know who they are.
It is for this reason that I do not repudiate any of Don Burneys claims. I am not the one who does the choosing and could damage my own standing if I judged unfairly.
I have prayed many times in regard to the amount of effort I have expended and extraordinary trials I have personally endured with seemingly few if any tangible results.
When I feel this way it is only through reading Isaiah Chapter 49 that I am comforted and realise I should not feel so frustrated at the lack of initial response.
Isaiah Chapter 49 promises that the end result will eventually be completely overwhelming and that the frustration and lack of faith belongs only to me.
regards
ablebodiedman
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The Watchtower does seem to find itself in a predicament. For all the good that has been accomplished by means of them, it's imperitave to understand that they are not the faithful slave, that appointment in no way has been made yet.
However, i'm not neccessarily saying they are the MoL just yet. I say this because I don't believe they have set themselves up on the same level as the Creator, Jehovah. They do claim absolute spiritual authority, and JW's seem to view them as "mother" in their spiritual relationship to the Father. But the scriptures in Paul's writing's seem to indicate a specific occurance of great apostacy.
Also, if we look to another parallel, the son of destruction, Judas Iscariot, had smaller acts of betrayel before the ultimate betraying of Jesus and handing him over to the Jews. He stole money from the money-box, and his greed led to breaking a deal with the Pharisees. The Watchtower seems to have a similar self-serving greed when it comes to recognition and authority. they've delved into Jehovah's "money-box", by being "mommy" to JW's, and they've broke a deal with the UN, given "associate status" as NGO's. I believe the final nail in the coffin will be future.
As I have spoken with other anointed brothers in the last day or so, they have also shown me that the MoL could be a conglomoration of different religious orgs., and the MoL seems to have a direct correlation with the King of the North, as well as the Antichrist. So the stew may turn out bigger than the pot we've given it.
Just food for thought. I don't view myself as inspired, so I always leave myself open to scrutiny. I would love any feedback from the friends.
I believe the antichrist has already been manifested. An antichrist is simply someone who denies Jesus Christ. Those truly righteous ones who do not want to deny Christ will have an important decision to make which will start to cause many divisions amongst Jehovah's Witnessess.
John 1:2
This is the antichrist, the one that denies the Father and the Son. 23 Everyone that denies the Son does not have the Father either. He that confesses the Son has the Father also. 24 As for YOU, let that which YOU have heard from [the] beginning remain in YOU. If that which YOU have heard from [the] beginning remains in YOU, YOU will also abide in union with the Son and in union with the Father. 25 Furthermore, this is the promised thing that he himself promised us, the life everlasting.
One of the things that we heard from the beginning were the baptismal commands given us by the son Jesus Christ. Do those commands remain in us or do we now deny them and therefore also the son. If we deny them we are the antichrist. Children of the Devil.
On the other hand:
The Children of God are identified as follows:
John 3:23-24
23 Indeed, this is his commandment, that we have faith in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and be loving one another, just as he gave us commandment. 24 Moreover, he who observes his commandments remains in union with him, and he in union with such one; and by this we gain the knowledge that he is remaining in union with us, owing to the spirit which he gave us.
He who observes his commandments remains in union with him.
There are two choices:
1/ Do not observe his commandments and you are the antichrist.
2/ Observe his commandment and you are a child of God.
At the present time there are 6 million Jehovah's Witnesses who are not observing his commandments.
Matthew 28
“All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”
This commandment is no longer being observed by Jehovah's Witnesses, they have left the law.
That which they heard from the beginning no longer remains, therefore they are children of the Devil, the antichrist.
Proverbs 28
4 Those who are leaving the law praise the wicked one, but those who are keeping the law excite themselves against them.
The wicked one = the Devil.
regards
ablebodiedman
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Wuji
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Re:Come Out! Reveal Yourselves! - 2005/11/12 21:53Able-bodied man, Do you practise fasting? Do you fast regularly?
My guess is you do not, right?
The first century Christians fasted, and Jesus indicated they would fast after his return to heaven (Mark 2:20; Acts 13: 2,3).
By your strange logic, if you personally do not practice fasting, you are also being disobedient to Christ, having left his original commands, and are therefore also an anti-christ. Right?
Sure, the JW's changed the baptism questions, but this hardly makes 6 million JW's antichrists.
Please spare us your constant self-righteous, bizarre analogies.
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ablebodiedman
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Re:Come Out! Reveal Yourselves! - 2005/11/13 06:15Wuji wrote: Able-bodied man, Do you practise fasting? Do you fast regularly?
My guess is you do not, right?
The first century Christians fasted, and Jesus indicated they would fast after his return to heaven (Mark 2:20; Acts 13: 2,3).
By your strange logic, if you personally do not practice fasting, you are also being disobedient to Christ, having left his original commands, and are therefore also an anti-christ. Right?
Sure, the JW's changed the baptism questions, but this hardly makes 6 million JW's antichrists.
Please spare us your constant self-righteous, bizarre analogies.
Revelation 3
19 “‘All those for whom I have affection I reprove and discipline. Therefore be zealous and repent. 20 Look! I am standing at the door and knocking. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come into his [house] and take the evening meal with him and he with me.
You wrote: "These men should presently be living righteous lives on the earth today and I think they probably know who they are."
Could you please explain what you believe "living righteous lives" means? In other words, what in you opinion qualifies as living a righteous life? Also, should these who are living a righteous life all agree? Do these you speak of have the spirit of God upon them? Can any who do not have the spirit of God upon them lead a righteous life? Do righteous men have the ability to know hearts and intentions?
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