Re:Christianity - 2006/01/11 18:14MarsWrote: [t]RossWrote: [t]Tait FreakWrote: [t]RossWrote: Goddamit, that Batten article STILL doesn't address my argument. If there was no common descent, how can you explain the telomer sequence in the middle of a genome? There is no selection pressure that would code for it.[/t] In my own words: Maybe there is a common Designer....so what if there's a telomere sequence in the middle of the genome, it still doesn't make apes 100% related to humans, which is a huge difference by the way....[/t] No, it doesn't, but it makes a large problem for Creationists.
<b>It is extremely unlikely</b> (in the words of Mars "negligible") <b>for a telomer sequence to appear by pure mutation</b>. Along with this, there is no known selection pressure for a direct link.
The only realistic explanation is that it is from Chimp chromosone 13 (which it does resemble drastically).
Why would God throw something like that in? Not only is it useless for humans, but potentially destructive (assuming a primer somehow mutates at the beginning of the telomer).[/t] Did you just argue that there is no known insensate phenomena that can produce the phenomena you are refering to? It is said in the bible that humans can live forever.... It is well known that telomeres have an important role in senescence. I wonder if the telomere sequence in the middle of our genome is the key to eternal life.
Re:Christianity - 2006/01/18 10:32The bible claims that there is an entity "all powerful" and this entity is the creator or cause of our existence.
Think carefully what "all powerful" means;
Power (J/s) is the transformation of energy;
I am typing this post using my fingers which use ATP to actuate the mechanism of my hand.
Now if God is not immanent or in other words if God is not actuating my hand then God is not all powerful. For it took power to type this post.
So, if God is not immanent then God is not all powerful, therefore an entity "all powerful" as claimed by the bible is not God which is absurd.
Therefore God is an immanent, all powerful, eternal, entity which is the cause of all existence.
Let's face some facts here;
Gradient energy is in all power, therefore energy is integrally all powerful.
The first law of physics states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed.
<b>So we have now established the fact that there is an entity all powerful, immanent, eternal (cannot be created or destroyed) and is the creator or cause of all existence.</b>
This proposition cannot be denied by anyone.
The only issue that may seem to be left is whether or not this entity is intelligent.
What is intelligence?
Why do we think humans are intelligent?
Is it because they can create things that do not form from insensate phenomena?
There are no known insensate phenomena that can create life!
Yet some of us are arrogant enough to think we are more intelligent then the entity that caused our existence.
They appeal to ignorance to hold there belief system, so they receive ignorance in full measure.
Re:Christianity - 2006/02/26 10:44"The infinite . . . is the divine, for it is immortal and indestructible."- Anaximander
He laid down as his principle and element that which is unlimited, without defining it as air or water or anything else. He held that the parts undergo change, but the whole is unchangeable. [Diogenes Laertius, Lives of the Philosophers.]
He said that the material principle of existing things was a certain infinite nature. From it the heavens and the worlds in them come into being. It is eternal and ageless, and it surrounds all the worlds. [Hippolytus, Refutation of all Heresies]
The infinite is the universal cause of the generation and destruction of the universe. From it . . . the heavens were separated off and all the infinite worlds. [Plutarch, Miscellanies]
The infinite has no beginning, . . . but seems to be the beginning of other things, and to surround all things and guide all . . . And this is the divine, for it is immortal and indestructible. [Aristotle, Physics.]
The source of coming-to-be for existing things is the same into which destruction, too, happens "according to necessity; for they pay penalty and retribution to each other for their injustice according to the assessment of time." [Simplicius, Physics.]
"Infinite spirit is the principle from which things and gods and things divine, all come into being." - Anaximenes
Anaximenes . . . said that infinite spirit was the principle from which things that are becoming, and that are, and that shall be, and gods and things divine, all come into being . . . It is always in motion: for things that change do not change unless there be movement. [Hippolytus, Refutation of all Heresies.]
Anaximenes . . . also says that the underlying nature is one and infinite, but not undefined as Anaximander said but definite, for he identifies is as spirit; and it differs in its substantial nature by rarity and density. Being made finer it becomes fire, being made thicker it becomes wind, then cloud, then (when thickened still more) water, then earth, then stones; and the rest come into being from these. He too makes motion eternal and says that change, also, comes about through it. [Simplicius, Physics.]
Also research the Miletans, Heraklitus, Democritus, Stoics, Epicurus, Lucretius, Aurelius, Lao Tzu, Spinoza, Einstein, Planck, Thoreau, Sagan, Wordsworth, Whitman, ....etc ad infinitum...Your Peace, Surrender, In You, YHVH Re-connect Co-operative
Re:Christianity - 2006/03/10 09:24There are two propositions;
(1) common ancestry, macroevolution, insensate creation phenomena
(2) common designer, conscious creation phenomena
Both use the same proof;
Organsims share common genetic instance morphology and inheritence in proportion to there shared mechanisms, function, utility.
comment;
Intelligently designed programming languages have instance morphology and inheretence. Engineering practice utilizes methods or circuits in various ways but in different implimentations or embodiments to accomplish similar tasks.
"while natural selection may be responsible for microchange-a trend in variations-no one can say indisputably that it is responsible for macrochange-the open-ended creation of an unexpected novel form and progress toward increasing complexity." - Kevin Kelly., Out of Control: The New Biology of Machines
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