Is Jesus the Archangel ? - 2006/01/29 10:11The watchtower society points out that Jesus is the Archangel. After a study of some verses in the Bible (NWT), I come to the conclusion he is not an angel.
Here is the explanation from Gods word. First we read Hebrew ch. 1 v. 5 - 8
1 God, who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, 2 has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things. 3 He is the reflection of [his] glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power; and after he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places. 4 So he has become better than the angels, to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.
5. For example, to which one of the angels did he ever say: “You are my son; I, today, I have become your father”? And again: “I myself shall become his father, and he himself will become my son”? 6. But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all God’s angels do obeisance to him.”
7. Also, with reference to the angels he says: “And he makes his angels spirits, and his public servants a flame of fire.” 8 But with reference to the Son: “God is your throne forever and ever, and [the] scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.
Notice in verse 6: And let all Gods angels do obeisance to him. The verse says ALL Gods angels do obeisance to him. This exclude Jesus. He is not doing obeisance to himself.
The watchtower society uses the scripture 1. Thessa. 4: 16 to show that Michael is Jesus. Verse 16: because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. It only says that the Lord (Jesus) had a voice like a archangel.
Also then Jude 9 affirms that Jesus is not Michael. Let's read; But when Mi´cha·el the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: “May Jehovah rebuke you.” If it was Jesus Jesus then he would had rebuked Satan, as he did earlier when Satan put Jesus to the test on the high mountain, ref. Matthew 4: 10. Jesus said; Go away Satan!
There are other scriptures in the book of Revelation that shows that Jesus is above angels. But I believe the scriptures mentioned are adequate to prove my point.
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Re:Is Jesus the Archangel ? - 2006/01/31 17:42Welcome,
I am going to repeat everything you said but add bold highlights that should be considered;
The watchtower society points out that Jesus is the Archangel. After a study of some verses in the Bible (NWT), I come to the conclusion he is not an angel.
Here is the explanation from Gods word. First we read Hebrew ch. 1 v. 5 - 8
1 God, who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, 2 has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things. 3 He is the reflection of [his] glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power; and after he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places. 4 So he has become better than the angels, to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.
5. For example, to which one of the angels did he ever say: “You are my son; I, today, I have become your father”? And again: “I myself shall become his father, and he himself will become my son”? 6. But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all God’s angels do obeisance to him.”
7. Also, with reference to the angels he says: “And he makes his angels spirits, and his public servants a flame of fire.” 8 But with reference to the Son: “God is your throne forever and ever, and [the] scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.
Notice in verse 6: And let all Gods angels do obeisance to him. The verse says ALL Gods angels do obeisance to him. This exclude Jesus. He is not doing obeisance to himself.
(archangel means "ruler of the angels". Would you like to see the orginal text in regards to the expression archdemon? Is Satan a demon or the ruler of the demons? Also consider the fact that humans are called angels as well. And don't forget that I may be able to find the text saying "all of Israel bowed to the king" ...etc. Does that mean the king is not an Israelite? Angel means "messanger", and Jesus is the formost messanger of God.)
The watchtower society uses the scripture 1. Thessa. 4: 16 to show that Michael is Jesus. Verse 16: because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. It only says that the Lord (Jesus) had a voice like a archangel.
Also then Jude 9 affirms that Jesus is not Michael. Let's read; But when Mi´cha·el the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: “May Jehovah rebuke you.” If it was Jesus Jesus then he would had rebuked Satan, as he did earlier when Satan put Jesus to the test on the high mountain, ref. Matthew 4: 10. Jesus said; Go away Satan!
There are other scriptures in the book of Revelation that shows that Jesus is above angels. But I believe the scriptures mentioned are adequate to prove my point.Your Peace, Surrender, In You, YHVH Re-connect Co-operative
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Re:Is Jesus the Archangel ? - 2006/04/04 04:37Jesus is equel in nature to God, subordinant in FUNCTION alone.
Isaiah 6:1-10 In the year that king Uzziah died, I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, high and lifted up; and his train filled the temple. Above him stood the seraphim. Each one had six wings. With two he covered his face. With two he covered his feet. With two he flew. One called to another, and said, "Holy, holy, holy, is Yahweh of Armies! The whole earth is full of his glory!" The foundations of the thresholds shook at the voice of him who called, and the house was filled with smoke. Then I said, "Woe is me! For I am undone, because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for my eyes have seen the King, Yahweh of Armies!" Then one of the seraphim flew to me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar. He touched my mouth with it, and said, "Behold, this has touched your lips; and your iniquity is taken away, and your sin forgiven." I heard the Lord's voice, saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?" Then I said, "Here I am. Send me!" He said, "Go, and tell this people, 'You hear indeed, But don't understand; And you see indeed, But don't perceive.' Make the heart of this people fat; Make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; Lest they see with their eyes, And hear with their ears, And understand with their heart, And turn again, and be healed."WEB Bible [b] Isaiah SEEN Yahweh![/b]
John 12:31-42 Now is the judgment of this world. Now the prince of this world will be cast out. And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." But he said this, signifying by what kind of death he should die. The multitude answered him, "We have heard out of the law that the Christ remains forever. How do you say, 'The Son of Man must be lifted up?' Who is this Son of Man?" Jesus therefore said to them, "Yet a little while the light is with you. Walk while you have the light, that darkness doesn't overtake you. He who walks in the darkness doesn't know where he is going. While you have the light, believe in the light, that you may become children of light." Jesus said these things, and he departed and hid himself from them. But though he had done so many signs before them, yet they didn't believe in him, that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke, "Lord, who has believed our report? To whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?" For this cause they couldn't believe, for Isaiah said again, "He has blinded their eyes and he hardened their heart, Lest they should see with their eyes, And perceive with their heart, And would turn, And I would heal them." Isaiah said these things when he saw his glory, and spoke of him. Nevertheless even of the rulers many believed in him, but because of the Pharisees they didn't confess it, so that they wouldn't be put out of the synagogue, JOHN SAID ISAIAH SEEN JESUS' GLORY!
In Exodus 34:14 we are to worship no one but Jehovah In Hebrews 1:6 the angels worship Christ. In Isaiah 44:6 Jehovah is called the first and the last (confirmed in Revelation 1:8), but in Revelation 22:13 Christ is the first and the last.
In Matthew 1:23, Christ is called "Immanuel," which means "God with us." When Thomas touched Jesus' wounds, after the resurrection, he exclaimed, "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28). Colossians 2:9 clearly confirms the deity of Christ when it states that in Him "all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily" (New World Translation). Stephen called Jesus "Lord" (Acts 7:59,60), and we are to confess Jesus as Lord (Rom. 10:9; I Cor. 12:3). "Lord" in these verses is Kurios, which is the Greek word for Jehovah in the Septuagint, the Greek version of the Old Testament. It is evident from this that Christ the Lord (kurios) is Jehovah God.
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