Re:spirit's of prophets - 2005/08/07 05:46John 16:8
8 And when that one arrives (the helper) he will give the world convincing evidence concerning sin and concerning righteousness and concerning judgment: 9 in the first place, concerning sin, because they are not exercising faith in me;
Sin, Righteousness and Judgement because they did not exercise faith in Jesus.
2 Thessalonians 2:10
10 and with every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth that they might be saved. 11 So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.
Saved with spirit because they did exercise faith in Jesus.
2 Thessalonians 2:13
13 However, we are obligated to thank God always for YOU, brothers loved by Jehovah, because God selected YOU from [the] beginning for salvation by sanctifying YOU with spirit and by YOUR faith in the truth.
Convincing Evidence ?
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polemotheos
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Re:spirit's of prophets - 2005/12/11 09:30Is not the holy spirit and God two different entities?
Only God is eternal and all powerful.
The trinitarians claim the holy spirit is literally God. And the way the watchtower describes it, there is little if any difference;
That would require that the holy spirit is co-eternal, co-all powerful with God, which is absurd.
Was the holy spirit created? If not then it is God and not separate from him.
The bible never says the holy spirit empowers the angels, nor does it say they were created with holy spirit.
(Ephesians 2:2) . . .in which YOU at one time walked according to the system of things of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, the spirit that now operates in the sons of disobedience.
Notice Satan is refered to (ruler of the authority of the air) then the wicked spirit (the spirit that now operates in the sons of disobedience).
The question then remains; Does Satan have a wicked (active force) spirit? Do not the daimons posses people? And is it the daimons that are the spirit operating in the sons of disobedience?
(James 4:5-7) . . .Or does it seem to YOU that the scripture says to no purpose: “It is with a tendency to envy that the spirit which has taken up residence within us keeps longing”? ...Subject yourselves, therefore, to God; but oppose the Devil, and he will flee from YOU.
What spirit here takes residence within us which is associated with the Devil? Does this envolve daimons or is this some sort of Satanic "active force"?
The point I am making is that daimons can be described as a singular "spirit". It is the same way with the angels.
(1 Corinthians 14:12) So also YOU yourselves, since YOU are zealously desirous of spirits, seek to abound in them for the upbuilding of the congregation.
Jesus himself had access to 12 Legions of angels.
(1 Corinthians 14:32) And spirits of prophets are subject to prophets
(Revelation 22:6) And he said to me: These words are faithful and true; yes, Jehovah the God of the spirits of the prophets sent his angel forth to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place.
(2 Peter 1:21) For prophecy was at no time brought by man's will, but men spoke from God as they were borne along by holy spirit.
Re:spirit's of prophets - 2006/03/06 12:24Energy cannot be created or destroyed. God cannot be created or destroyed. God cannot create himself, or more of himself. God cannot destroy himself or any part of himself. God is energy, not to be confused with <b>forms</b> of energy.
Everything else must be a formation made out of God. God is an infinite, eternal, elastic substance. Forms made of this substance can be destroyed.
That said, nothing can be energy or substance except the infinite and all powerful being.
Hense, the holy spirit must be co-eternal with God which is absurd, or the holy spirit is God which is absurd or the holy spirit was created....
However the first of creation was the Word, Jesus. And subsequent creation was spirit creatures....
Is not the holy spirit and God two different entities?
Only God is eternal and all powerful.
The trinitarians claim the holy spirit is literally God.
That would require that the holy spirit is co-eternal, co-all powerful with God, which is absurd.
Was the holy spirit created? If not then it is God and not separate from him.
The bible never says the holy spirit empowers the angels, nor does it say they were created with holy spirit.
(Ephesians 2:2) . . .in which YOU at one time walked according to the system of things of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, the spirit that now operates in the sons of disobedience.
Notice Satan is refered to (ruler of the authority of the air) then the wicked spirit (the spirit that now operates in the sons of disobedience).
The question then remains; Does Satan have a Wicked (active force) Spirit? Do not the daimons posses people? And is it the daimons that are the spirit operating in the sons of disobedience?
(James 4:5-7) . . .Or does it seem to YOU that the scripture says to no purpose: “It is with a tendency to envy that the spirit which has taken up residence within us keeps longing”? ...Subject yourselves, therefore, to God; but oppose the Devil, and he will flee from YOU.
What spirit here takes residence within us which is associated with the Devil? Does this envolve daimons or is this some sort of Satanic "active force"?
The point I am making is that daimons can be described as a singular "spirit". It is the same way with the angels.
(1 Corinthians 14:12) So also YOU yourselves, since YOU are zealously desirous of spirits, seek to abound in them for the upbuilding of the congregation.
Jesus himself had access to 12 Legions of angels.
(1 Corinthians 14:32) And spirits of prophets are subject to prophets
(Revelation 22:6) And he said to me: These words are faithful and true; yes, Jehovah the God of the spirits of the prophets sent his angel forth to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place.
(2 Peter 1:21) For prophecy was at no time brought by man's will, but men spoke from God as they were borne along by holy spirit.
Does prophecy come from holy spirit or from angels?
It's just like when the bible calls the anointed the bride of Christs. Is there really just one entity that is the bride of Christ or does it involve hundreds of thousands of Christians?
Every single thing the holy spirit is said to do, the angels are also said to do...
(Hebrews 1:14)“Are they not all spirits for public service, sent forth to minister for those who are going to inherit salvation?”
(PSALM 34:7) “The angel of Jehovah is camping all around those fearing him, And he rescues them.”
(PSALM 91:11) “For he will give his own angels a command concerning you, To guard you in all your ways.”
(2 Samuel 23:2) “The spirit of Jehovah it was that spoke by me, And his word was upon my tongue.”
(Hebrews 2:12)“…the word spoken through angels…”
(Galatians 3:19) “…it was transmitted through angels...”
(Revelation 1:1) “… And he sent forth his angel and presented [it]…”
(Acts 7:38) “…with the angel that spoke to him… …he received living sacred pronouncements...”
(Hebrews 3:7) “For this reason, just as the holy spirit says: “Today if YOU people listen to his own voice,”
(2 PETER 1:21) “For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were moved by holy spirit.”
Recall that when some people were possessed by daimons they had extra ordinary powers such as... super strength, the ability to fortell events, etc... lets we add the powers of the Egyptian priests.
The mechanics are the same.... just different spirits with different purposes.... a holy purpose.
I know that was rather disorganized but.... I hope you still benefited. It needs alot of work..
Re:spirit's of prophets - 2006/04/02 17:18(Acts 12:15) . . .They said to her: “You are mad.” But she kept on strongly asserting it was so. They began to say: “It is his angel.”Your Peace, Surrender, In You, YHVH Re-connect Co-operative
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ablebodiedman
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Re:spirit's of prophets - 2006/04/03 01:42Polemotheos,
I am convinced this spirit is very powerfull and can be either evil or holy.
The anointed will have this spirit bestowed upon them. They will be very aware of it. How they use this spirit will effect their final outcome.
The bible indicates there will indeed be many evil anointed slaves and a small remnant of holy ones.
John 3:5
Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
John 7:39
By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.
regards
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ablebodiedman
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Re:spirit's of prophets - 2006/04/03 12:27The anointed become aware that although they exist in a human body they are really a different and alien creature.
The human body and all its imperfections is something undesirable to the anointed. Something they look forward to being seperated from.
So yes Polemotheos, your perceptions in the above posts are very insightful.
It is like the anointed are angels temporarily trapped inside a human body.
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