Re:Synagogue of Satan - 2006/05/07 23:44ablebodiedman wrote: Where are Satans weeds dwelling in the Lords Day?
Revelation 2:12
13 ‘I know where you are dwelling, that is, where the throne of Satan is; and yet you keep on holding fast my name, and you did not deny your faith in me even in the days of An´ti·pas, my witness, the faithful one, who was killed by YOUR side, where Satan is dwelling.
They are dwelling by your side!
If you are a person loyal to Jesus and yet attending meetings at a Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses you can be certain that you are right in Satan's Face.
Do you think that Satan wants you to know the truth?
Of course not!
Satan and his weeds are continually restraining the truth.
The only way to learn the truth then is from some other source.
Revelation shows that this is indeed the case for those loyal to Jesus:
Revelation 12
14 But the two wings of the great eagle were given the woman, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place; there is where she is fed for a time and times and half a time away from the face of the serpent.
What technique are they using to obscure the truth?
They continually publish a flood of material in The Watchtower and Awake magazines which makes it difficult for those loyal to Jesus to find the truth or upon having found it to reach anyone else with the truth. The real truth is drowned by a continual river of misleading information.
This also is revealed in these same scriptures:
Revelation 12
15 And the serpent disgorged water like a river from its mouth after the woman, to cause her to be drowned by the river.
If this situation is allowed to continue then no one will have an opportunity to find the truth however, the very same scripture shows that something interesting will happen to overturn and refute the flood of untruths coming from Satan and his weeds:
Revelation 12
16 But the earth came to the woman’s help, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the river that the dragon disgorged from its mouth.
So how is this river of misinformation being swallowed up by the earth?
The Internet
The amazing thing about the Internet is that it affords anyone the ability to find the truth outside of the Kingdom Hall meeting arrangement. The thing acting as a restraint is out of the way.
So now you know:
2 Thessalonians 2
6 And so now YOU know the thing that acts as a restraint, with a view to his being revealed in his own due time. 7 True, the mystery of this lawlessness is already at work; but only till he who is right now acting as a restraint gets to be out of the way.
The identity of the man of lawlessness is revealed in an article published on this web site so "the due time" has already passed.
Once the annointed and any others who are faithful to Jesus realize the truth what can they expect to happen?
Although the same scriptures give cause for concern, they also give a great deal of comfort:
Revelation 12
17 And the dragon grew wrathful at the woman, and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her seed, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus.
Who are these remaining ones?
The Apostle Paul's letter to the Thessalonians provides the answer:
13 However, we are obligated to thank God always for YOU, brothers loved by Jehovah, because God selected YOU from [the] beginning for salvation by sanctifying YOU with spirit and by YOUR faith in the truth. 14 To this very destiny he called YOU through the good news we declare, for the purpose of acquiring the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 So, then, brothers, stand firm and maintain YOUR hold on the traditions that YOU were taught, whether it was through a verbal message or through a letter of ours. 16 Moreover, may our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who loved us and gave everlasting comfort and good hope by means of undeserved kindness, 17 comfort YOUR hearts and make YOU firm in every good deed and word.
If you understood this then perhaps you are one of the few remaining ones.
So, then, brothers, stand firm.
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Who are the anointed? - 2006/05/09 01:33So who really are the anointed ones, the true sons of the Kingdom?
Jehovahs Witnessess will tell you they know exactly who they are because they can see them partaking at the Memorial Service proceedings in Kingdom Halls around the World.
The ones partaking are either taken seriously by the other members of the congregation or perhaps they are not.
The ones who may not be taken seriously are those who might have recently started to partake however, these persons are still well known by the others in regular attendance at the Kingdom Halls.
What if you refuse to partake at the Kingdom Halls for these reasons I have mentioned in the posts above in this same thread?
You will be disfellowshipped and shunned by the rest of the Congregation.
They will treat you like a non person.
What if you were spiritual enough to recognise that something was wrong and never did partake at the Memorial Service inside the Kingdom Halls?
The rest of the congregation will not know or believe that you are anointed.
So are the ones partaking at Kingdom Halls the true sons of the kingdom or are those who don't partake at the Memorial Service.?
Where should we find the answer?
In the bible:
Matthew 25
31 “When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. 32 And all the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.
34 “Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, YOU who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for YOU from the founding of the world. 35 For I became hungry and YOU gave me something to eat; I got thirsty and YOU gave me something to drink. I was a stranger and YOU received me hospitably; 36 naked, and YOU clothed me. I fell sick and YOU looked after me. I was in prison and YOU came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous ones will answer him with the words, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty, and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and receive you hospitably, or naked, and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to you?’ 40 And in reply the king will say to them, ‘Truly I say to YOU, To the extent that YOU did it to one of the least of these my brothers, YOU did it to me.’
Carefully contemplating the above scripture it seems that the sheep will not know who the true "sons of the kingdom" are and yet will still unknowingly treat them with un-hypocritical hospitality.
Keep in mind that 6 million Jehovah's Witnesses know who the anointed are and so do not fit this description of the sheep.
There may be amoungst them however, some who treat their neighbour as themselves even if they have been disfellowshipped or shunned and have therefore unknowingly shown hospitality to one of the "sons of the Kingdom".
What about the others who are convinced they know who the anointed ones are?
The scripture continues:
Matthew 25
41 “Then he will say, in turn, to those on his left, ‘Be on YOUR way from me, YOU who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels. 42 For I became hungry, but YOU gave me nothing to eat, and I got thirsty, but YOU gave me nothing to drink. 43 I was a stranger, but YOU did not receive me hospitably; naked, but YOU did not clothe me; sick and in prison, but YOU did not look after me.’ 44 Then they also will answer with the words, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to you?’
Those people responding to Jesus in the above however, seem truly surprised that they have received this kind of judgement and must have believed they had been living their lives in a righteous manner.
They certainly would not treat anyone partaking at the Memorial Service in this manner.
Jehovah's Witnessess are in fact encouraged to treat everyone with hospitality and Christian love.
From the platform of Kingdom Halls around the World this is continually being preached.
There is only one kind of person on this planet that a Jehovah's Witness would give the exact kind of treatment described in the above scripture.
Someone who has been disfellowshipped or marked.
Do the scriptures say that the anointed would be disfellowshipped?
Well, sort of.
You will have to decide:
Romans 9
25 It is as he says also in Ho·se´a: “Those not my people I will call ‘my people,’ and her who was not beloved ‘beloved’; 26 and in the place where it was said to them, ‘YOU are not my people,’ there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”
Is what I have posted here of any value for the reader.
Yes!
How you treat the anointed will determine wether you are a sheep or a goat.
Please be convinced that it is the way people treat the TRUE anointed ones who will eventually become "sons of the kingdom" that determines wether they are a goat.
This is very important to understand especially when you consider the outcome intended for the goats:
Matthew 25
45 Then he will answer them with the words, ‘Truly I say to YOU, To the extent that YOU did not do it to one of these least ones, YOU did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.”
Keep in mind that it is both the sheep and the goats who do not really know who the anointed are.
Jehovah's Witnessess don't really fall into the sheep category because they claim to know who the anointed are.
There is also a very real possibility that Jehovah's Witnessess can easily fall into the goat category because they are encouraged to treat some people just as Jesus described that the goats would and there is a very real possibility that those people being treated in such a way are in fact the true anointed sons of the Kingdom.
Now in light of these scriptures ask yourself this question again:
Are the ones partaking at Kingdom Halls the true anointed or are those who don't partake the true anointed?
It is likely they both are anointed however, some will fall into the evil slave "drinking with the drunkards category" while others will fall into the faithfull to Jesus and his commandments true "sons of the kingdom" category.
The question the reader should spend more time considering is what category do you fall into?
1/ Faithfull Slave?
2/ Evil slave?
3/ Sheep?
4/ Goat?
Regards
ablebodiedman
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Re:Drinking with the drunkards. - 2006/05/09 10:53I try to be a sheep.
I don't think it makes any sense to classify the majority of JW's as goats. To the contrary, they may shunn others only because they have been led to believe so. But for the most part I believe they are sheep simply because as a whole they don't take arms against their neighbors unlike many other forms of Christianity.
As far as who is annoited and who isn't doesn't really concern me. I think if I just be hospitable towards all people its all good.
Peace,
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Pick up your torture stake. - 2006/05/09 11:12So the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnessess have made it very easy for the "organization" to exclude those who stand firm and maintain their hold on the laws and commandment taught by Jesus and his Apostles in the bible.
One of the most important commandments handed down by Jesus Christ himself was the commandment concerning baptism. The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses have adjusted this commandment in such a way that a person who makes a vow provides veneration for the Governing Body and the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society itself. They have created a celebrated name for themselves.
These vows and their celebrated name reaches as far as the Temple of God in the very heavens.
They have built a city containing 6 million occupants and have lifted themselves up inside of God's own temple while undermining and showing opposition to Jesus Christs commandment regarding baptism!
I hope you agree that this is a very frightening situation which needs to be brought to everyones attention.
For bringing this to their attention I personally have been disfellowshipped and excluded from any interaction with my brothers and sisters in my hometown Kingdom Hall.
They hate me.
They are either very evil or by being misled are truly convinced they are giving Jehovah the worship he deserves.
Are there any scriptures which support what I have said in the above?
Yes:
2nd Thessalonians 2
14 To this very destiny he called YOU through the good news we declare, for the purpose of acquiring the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 So, then, brothers, stand firm and maintain YOUR hold on the traditions that YOU were taught,
Matthew 28:19
18 And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”
Genesis 11:4
4 They now said: “Come on! Let us build ourselves a city and also a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a celebrated name for ourselves, for fear we may be scattered over all the surface of the earth.” 5 And Jehovah proceeded to go down to see the city and the tower that the sons of men had built
2 Thessalonians 2:4
4 He is set in opposition and lifts himself up over everyone who is called “god” or an object of reverence, so that he sits down in the temple of The God, publicly showing himself to be a god
Isaiah 66:5
5 Hear the word of Jehovah, YOU men who are trembling at his word: “YOUR brothers that are hating YOU, that are excluding YOU by reason of my name, said, ‘May Jehovah be glorified!’ He must also appear with rejoicing on YOUR part, and they are the ones that will be put to shame.” 6 There is a sound of uproar out of the city, a sound out of the temple! It is the sound of Jehovah repaying what is deserved to his enemies.
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Re:Drinking with the drunkards. - 2006/05/09 11:19Dodger wrote: I try to be a sheep.
I don't think it makes any sense to classify the majority of JW's as goats. To the contrary, they may shunn others only because they have been led to believe so. But for the most part I believe they are sheep simply because as a whole they don't take arms against their neighbors unlike many other forms of Christianity.
As far as who is annoited and who isn't doesn't really concern me. I think if I just be hospitable towards all people its all good.
Peace,
Dodger
Dodger,
I think you are correct however, they have been led to believe a lie and so under direction of the evil slave will shun the true "sons of the kingdom".
Wether they have been misled or not the scriptures still condemn them, to the most severe judgement:
2nd Thessalonians 2
9 But the lawless one’s presence is according to the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and portents 10 and with every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth that they might be saved
See the bolded scripture above.
Your resolution to be hospitable towards all people is a good one however, it will get you disfellowshipped if you treat others who have been disfellowshipped with hospitality.
regards
ablebodiedman
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Re:Drinking with the drunkards. - 2006/05/09 11:35You said: however, they have been led to believe a lie and so under direction of the evil slave will shun the true "sons of the kingdom".
More than likely many will, but just because they're being misled now doesn't mean there won't be a wake up call eventually for them and others as well. You had one didn't you?
The genuine sheep will be drawn out during the harvest. From all areas of the world to form the great crowd.
How many years were you a Jdub?
Do you consider yourself a former goat? Or just misled under the direction of the evil slave?
Only the true goats hate you from your former hall because they know what you said is true. The others are more than likely confused and or still mind washed.
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