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Re:Where I am today... - 2005/05/30 13:01 Wuji

Thank you for your post … there is much there I agree with … though my understanding of what those scripture mean may be somewhat different …

Kindly note that I quote Lincoln above … but this does not mean that I consider him … inspired … nor that I believe and agree with all else that he wrote … just that I quoted him …

Gnostic … is a word that can have different meanings / connotations … and there can be Gnostic … as in yet another religion … and gnostic … as in I personally know … as in … I gno God is Love …

To be a gnostic … does not mean … disbelief … quite the contrary … it involves a relationship … as opposed to ... I read it ... or I believe what some religion told me ...

Regarding the nag Hammadi … to which the diVinci Code refers … there is an excellent book by Elaine Pagels… The Gnostic Gospels … commenting on the involvement of the Catholic Church … and why … the political motivation …

When I first became aware of this … the obvious question was … were (gasp) those 181 books left out of the Bible … but later … for me … the question evolved to … is the Bible canon I have used … the unadulterated Word of God … because I had ‘believed in’ the Bible some 60 years …

This is dealt with here in other threads … one in particular you may wish to review is … the Word ... in the research forum here ...

My belief in God … in Jesus … in love … don’t hinge on … a belief in a religion … a book … man’s keeping … or interpretation … of these things … (it ain't that delicate) ... but rather on my personal relationship with Them … for which the books may at times be helpful ...

much philia ... Evening

PS ... doesn't this thread meander interestingly ... should we start some other specific ones



Post edited by: Evening, at: 2005/05/30 13:03
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Re:Where I am today... - 2005/07/05 17:10 When i finally got old enough to start thinking aout higher education my mother set up a meeting with the elders for me. They tried to convince me that becoming a pioneer would please God more than me bettering myself. At the young age of 14 i had already began to see the hipocracy in the congregation. This was enough to put me over the edge. Certainly a God that truely loved us would want us to be happy and not in mindless servitude.

Butterfly
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Re:Where I am today... - 2005/07/05 17:14 In my city alone there is always at least one kingdom hall build underway. However i have noticed that thier need for new halls is lacking. There are not enough 'sheep' being taken into the fold to warrent all of the building. I guess the prospect of picking out new carpet and paint swatches is just too tempting for the brothers and sister to resist.
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Were I Am Today--Part 2 - 2007/03/26 12:00 Hi, Good Folks at Beth Sarim!

It's been almost 2 years since I posted my story here. As I look at this post, I can see how afraid I was at the prospect of becoming an outcast of the JW organization. I'm pleased to say that this hasn't happened thus far. Here's what's happened since I last wrote here:

One Thursday evening in October 2005, I was about to start the Theocratic Ministry School for the week--as was my custom at the time. While the opening song was still playing, I suddenly realized that I couldn't take it anymore: I was tired of standing in front of the congregation, telling the same old lies. I grabbed the Presiding Overseer, took him to the back of the Hall, and told him that I didn't want to do the School that evening, and that I was going home. I then told my wife that I wasn't going to keep up the masquerade, and left the Hall.

That evening, my wife was livid. She told me that she didn't marry a "worldly person," and that she felt hurt that I would abandon her and the family. I told her that I hadn't abandoned them. Rather, I had actually been lying to myself for a long time, and couldn't keep up the disguise any longer. Quite simply, I didn't believe in the JW doctrine anymore, and that had been the case for many years. I reasoned that I was concerned about my health, because, living a lie for as long as I had was taking its toll on my well-being. She didn't like what I said, but over time, she's more or less accepted that I'm not changing.

About 2 weeks after my last TMS, the PO and the FSO came to my house, and wanted to know what was happening. I knew that my response to them would determine whether I was to be DF'd, DA'd or whatever. I temporized by telling them that I was "burned out", and that I didn't know what I would do next.

One month later, we moved out of the area, and that stopped all inquiries into my spiritual state. The elders in the new area came by the house to talk to me, but I told them that I was still trying to figure things out, and that I would call THEM if I needed them. They got the message, and have left me alone since then.

The JW's in the new town don't know how to deal with me; some greet me all the time; and others treat me like I'm disfellowshipped. For example, an elder that I've known for years chatted with me in a store one day, but his wife refused to step up and greet me. To be totally honest, I don't care. I'm happy where I am, and if people can't deal with that, then that's their problem.

Quite surprisingly, I still get calls and visits from some of the Witnesses from my old town. One of them even told me that he wished that he had the nerve that I had in walking away from the congregation. He’s afraid of being cut off from everybody he knows. Another Witness (this one’s a “sister
Admittedly, my transition from the cloistered JW world hasn’t been perfect. For example, I haven’t connected with many people on the “outside”. However, to be totally honest, I’ve always tended to be a bit of a loner, so that hasn’t been so bad.
I’ve also had to be on the watch for the “new-age” scam artists. The bottom line: If somebody has a message in one hand, and they’ve got their other hand out for a donation, I don’t want to hear from them. After 25 years within the JW organization, I don’t want anything further to do with the numerous varieties of “God, Inc.”

My transition to freedom from the JW Church has been bumpy at times, but overall, a good ride. Initially I was angry at the organization, but I realized that my unhappiness was ultimately my fault. I could’ve left any time.

As I stated almost 2 years ago, I was a Witness for about 27 years, and I served as an elder for about 16 of those years. Rather than focus on the bad things that happened during this period of my life, I’ve now learned to think about some of the good things that happened to my life within the organization.

First of all, I’m certain that I would’ve never have lived this long if I didn’t develop faith in a Creator. In 1978, I was addicted to every controlled-substance known to man; I very rarely went to bed sober; and I lived a very promiscuous lifestyle. In other words, I was on the road to self-destruction.

Realizing that a Creator established natural laws (like those govern gravity, electromagnetism, etc), has helped me to realize that we’ve got to obey other natural laws. Most notably, we all have built into us a sense of what’r right and what’s wrong. It’s hard-coded into our DNA. Therefore, we’ve got to treat others with respect and kindness; otherwise, one of the other natural laws –cause and effect (or as some people prefer, Karma, or “You reap what you sow”)—will insure that we’re brought to justice. I therefore carry myself throughout life with full knowledge that I’m accountable to Somebody higher than myself. This has caused my wife to begrudgingly state that I’m a “better Witness” than I was while I WAS a Witness!

Sorry about rambling on; a lot’s happened in my life in the last 2 years. I’ll check in here periodically. I wish all of you good luck, and success.

Genlando
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Re:Were I Am Today--Part 2 - 2007/03/28 05:20 Hey Genlando - wow that is some journey - amazing what can happen over 2 years. I don't have time to post much right now but I do want to carry on later. I just saw this post and felt I needed to say hi.

Much love and spirit to you.

ePig
Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. If anyone thinks he has acquired knowledge of something, he does not yet know it just as he ought to know it. But if anyone loves God, this one is known by him - 1 Cor 8:1-3
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