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Re:Even IF the WT was "Israel"... - 2005/03/18 03:40 Hi Amosfamily.

'Judged to be inactive' . Those labels are so meaningless aren't they? When for many of us, since discovering the truth about the WT's activities, we have never been so spiritually active! LOL. Never mind. It is brave and kindly of you to speak to those at the KH who are sighing and groaning'. I agree there are 'lost sheep' at the KHs, and, being from the same religious background it is natural that you should want to help attend to them. I hope you are able to do some good. I just feel that there isn't really sound evidence to concluce that there are not 'lost sheep of Israel' in many other denominations also. If so, perhaps they have their own kindly ones like you to help them.

Much Philia

Phi.

Post edited by: Phi, at: 2005/03/18 04:53
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Re:Even IF the WT was - 2005/03/18 04:45 I think it is up to the individual. One thinks he can stay and do some good then he should. If one thinks his spirituality is being damaged by staying then he should leave. I guess the most people feel lost when leaving. It is a lot to go through especially if you have been in for years. It is a process which could be good or bad depending on how you go through it, either stumbling one person or making them stronger.

I would say it made many of us stronger but to others the process takes more time. They may need to wait until something signifigant happens. For me I always had my doubts about stuff, It was the NGO thing that clinch it for me. Learning that one thing send me into wanting to search and learn the scriptures like never before. If the WT could do such a thing then WOW I need to do some checking.

It was really messed up thought when Christ came the first time. I mean the leader of the Jews didi not even belive the same things, so there was dessension in the ranks when he got there. The Pharisees believed in the resurrection the scribes did not. Now that is a pretty big difference in belief! Yet they were all Jews under the law. The society teaches 1914 as truth but we know it to be different. One thing the Jews had in common though was they knew Jehovah was God and that is what we have in common thought we believe different than the society.
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Re:Even IF the WT was - 2005/03/18 11:37 Greetings Phi,

May peace be with you.

Even IF the WT Society was "Israel" it is then, therefore, their responsibility as "Israel" to seek out the Christ and come to him. Why? When Jesus came in the flesh he said, “I was not sent forth to any but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matthew 15:24). And again our brother John said to the house of Israel, “See, the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world. This is the one about whom I said, Behind me there comes a man who has advanced in front of me, because he existed before me. Even I did not know him, but the reason why I came baptizing in water was that he might be made manifest to Israel” (John 1:29-31).

The very reason John was sent was for the purpose of manifesting the Christ to Israel. And when he did, Israel did not form another 'earthly organization,' but rather, many went TO him (John 3:26). And even the Father testified to Israel saying, "This IS my son, listen to HIM" (Matthew 17:5). Further, the Christ said, "Everyone who has 'heard' from the Father and has learned, comes to ME" (John 6:45). Those who come to the Christ no longer worshiped in buildings or temples of wood and stone. Nor do they worship in Kingdom Halls that are also built with wood and stone. Rather, they worship "in spirit and in truth," for the Father is searching for suchlike ones to worship him.

Also, in the days of Moses 'Jehovah' did not tell Israel to the effect "All of you must worship me, but if any of you deviate you must worship as your leaders tell you to worship me." No, rather, he told all of them that they all individually had the responsibility to 'listen to HIS voice' and they were individually to "follow HIM." Further, if others of Israel sinned, that did not give them the freedom to sin.. even if it was their leader. For He said, "I, Jehovah, am searching the heart, examining the kidneys, even to give to each one according to his ways, according to the fruitage of his dealings" (Jeremiah 17:10). So regardless of what the WT Society or any other who is of the house of Israel is doing.. we all have individually the personally responsibility to come to the One whom our Father appointed for US to worship in spirit and in truth (John 4:24; Acts 3:20).
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Re:Even IF the WT was - 2005/03/18 11:58 Aaron wrote:

The very reason John was sent was for the purpose of manifesting the Christ to Israel. And when he did, Israel did not form another 'earthly organization,' but rather, many went TO him (John 3:26). And even the Father testified to Israel saying, "This IS my son, listen to HIM" (Matthew 17:5).



Amen!
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