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 Acquitted? - 2005/03/18 11:07 Here's a few Scriptures I'd like your views on. I have no set opinion on this matter so I'm not trying to lead to definite conclusion because I don't have one yet. But I'd love to hear your thoughts.

"See, the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world" John 1:29

"For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him" John 3:17

"We know for a certainty that this man is the saviour of the world" John 4:42

"For the bread of God is the one who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world....my flesh in behalf of the life of the world" John 6:33, 51.

"For the love the Christ has compels us, because this is what we have judged, that one man died for all, so then all had died..." 2 Cor 5:14

"For he who has died has been acquitted from his sin." Romans 6:7.

Any thoughts?

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 Re:Acquitted? - 2005/03/18 11:27 Hi Izzy,

Are you asking in reference to universal reconcilliation? I know you said you had no opinion on the scriptures but there has to be a reason why you are asking. I'm sure that you didn't just pull out a few scriptures to ask what we think. I find a few of those scriptures particularly interesting but I'd like to know why you posted them asking for our opinion first, please.

Agape,
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 Re:Acquitted? - 2005/03/18 11:48 Hi Stormy . No I'm not attempting to refer to any particular doctrinal position here. I don't actually know what "universal reconcilliation" is, as a doctrine, though obviously I could hazard a guess. What I thought possible based on these verses, and others which refer to the basis for judgement, was that perhaps mankind in general has been 'aquitted', and that according to other Scriptures the basis for judgement would be the rejection of the gospel upon a thorough hearing of it. And for Christians, willful unrepentant sinning.

However, I thought that perhaps those who had never heard the 'good news', or never had a proper hearing of it (perhaps because of quite valid reasons for rejecting it, such as someone in a suit knocking on their door first thing on a weekend morning with magazines about the UN and how prophesy shows the kingdom began in 1914 ) might be in a pretty 'safe' position, judgement wise. But as I say. I'm still thinking on it and looking for input.

Much Philia.

Phi.

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 Re:Acquitted? - 2005/03/24 13:15 My thoughts on this:

When in Egypt the Passover lamb's blood was splashed on the doors the angel of Jehovah passed over that home and spared its firstborn. Afterwards all Israel left Egypt along with those Egyptians who put faith in Jehovah. Later when the sacrifices on the altar were established for the sins of all the people they were the temporary covering of the sins of all....Jew and Proselyte and Priest.

From this example set before us we can then understand that Christ's blood, the ultimate and only everlasting sacrifice, can and does cover over the sins of the spiritual firstborn and of the entire human race should they choose to avail themselves of it.

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 Re:Acquitted? - 2005/03/24 13:28 Hi Josh. Thanks for your comments Bro.

What I am wondering is, do the Scriptures indicate that the ransom already covers those who have not availed themselves of it, because they don't have sufficiant knowledge of the 'good news'? I ask based on Paul's words regarding the ransoming effect of Jesus death on behalf of all mankind: "So then, all had died"

Based on the principle "he who has died has been acquitted of his sin", would that mean that the world of mankind that is ignorant of the 'good news' has already been credited with the ransom?

Philia.

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 Re:Acquitted? - 2005/03/24 13:48 Phi,

I believe that he who has died has been acquited from his sin but in the resurrection he or she must acknowledge that their new life is due to only one reason: the sacrifice of God's Son in their behalf. In others words to be granted eternal life all mankind must bow to the Christ and acknowledge him as their savior and the means by which they gain eternal life.

Death is due to sin and is the payment for sin but that does not mean the payment of death itself opens the way to life. There is only one way to life....Jesus Christ the Son of God.

Any who do not love the Son will not gain eternal life.

Peace and love to you brother,
Josh
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